7/9/17

Endrite: Remember when this guy was alive?

Shauncat (GM): RIP

Endrite: Wow, what is this?

Hailing Satan?

Is that really what this covenant is about?

dys (GM): Nonsense. There's no infernalists in Europe.

Endrite: What about in France?

HEH

Shauncat: Hafl can't make it today.

Endrite: RIP.

johns (GM): he doesnt like wizard politics he said

Endrite: Sad!

nVidia of Merinita

johns (GM): this tribunal is getting crowded

Endrite: An entire political gathering of people who think the music is too loud and that they'd rather be at home, studying.

Shauncat: I wonder if Severin will say tribunals used to actually be civilized 200 years ago

Endrite: Probably not.

AFK a minute.

johns (GM): hail dfd

devil's fav demon (GM): hi

Shauncat: Greetings Kifaaya

Anson looks badass

dys: My feet tire. The sounds of merriment hurt my ears. I wish I was back in the fairy regio.

Jørn of Merinita: Same.

Prudenzio of Flambeau: It's nice in here.

Archibald of Guernicus: Let's kill Prudenzio

johns (GM): soon, soon

Welcome to the party Plutonis

Excellent

I think everyone who was supposed to be here is here

DFD do you have a char you want to introduce today?

devil's fav demon: Not yet. B-|

(To devil's fav demon): Would you be interested in being a judge?

(From devil's fav demon): what would that entail? i dont mind.

Archibald of Guernicus: I thought you were making a big fat guy

(To devil's fav demon): Being impartial to the dispute that endrite & dys will be arguing today

(From devil's fav demon): i can probably do that.

(To devil's fav demon): Ok, give me a name, gender, and house for your judge

devil's fav demon: I am making a big fat guy, but I keep getting distracted and losing focus. I'm almost done.

johns (GM): I see no need to dawdle with lead-up to the tribunal as we have some Juicy Cases to deal with

(From devil's fav demon): im Brown Wind an old man Bjornaer.

Milo of Guernicus: Of which the most eagerly anticipated is the trial of Fabius Ex Misc, a well-known and long time member of the tribunal, on very serious charges.

(To Plutonis): You should have control of Plutonis Ex Misc now if you like

(From devil's fav demon): i gota token gimme a sec

Milo of Guernicus: Given the seriousness of this trial, Milo of Guernicus has arranged a special accommodation, and appointed 2 impartial judges to render a verdict instead of letting the matters of guilt and sentencing go to popular vote.

Representing the prosecution is Archibald of Guernicus, and representing the defense is Proclus Ex Misc of Rome.

In this era of inquisitorial systems of court, the judges are allowed to directly question the witnesses and participants in the trial as they please

(From devil's fav demon): http://i.imgur.com/2qdc7LI.png

Endrite: Ok I'm back.

Proclus of Rome: So there hasn't been anything untoward going on in Venice?

That we need to worry about, I mean.

Milo of Guernicus: Of course not

This is a civilized land

Any questions about the set-up so far?

Proclus of Rome: Nope.

Milo of Guernicus: Let me quickly review what the charges are

Jørn of Merinita: What's Invidia like

Milo of Guernicus: He's a mysterious masked Merinita

Jørn of Merinita: Oh, no questions regarding the trial

devil's fav demon: Nvidia.

Jørn of Merinita: Maybe I should get a cool mask

Milo of Guernicus: #1: Interference with the Mundanes

Proclus of Rome: Feel free to ask questions about the other magi in attendance.

Milo of Guernicus: #2: Betraying the secret of the Parma Magica to an outsider

# 3: Scrying on a fellow Magus

Brown Wind: Galafre looks a little young to be an elder.

Archibald of Guernicus: He's a fae molester

Proclus of Rome: He may or may not have a younger relative.

In the mundane sense of the word.

Brown Wind: Always a loophole.

(To dys): Am I forgetting a 4th charge

(From Archibald of Guernicus): None that I can think of.

Milo of Guernicus: Ok I think those are the 3 main charges.

Milo stresses that in addition to scrying on a fellow magus, Fabius is accused of scrying on a Guernicus in the performance of an investigation.

Should Milo recap the events of the case, or would Archibald like to?

Jørn of Merinita: #3 is the most damning since he's actually guilty of it, #1 is something everyone does anyway but avoids getting caught

Archibald of Guernicus: Better a neutral party does it, lest we get into arguments before the trial properly kicks off

Milo of Guernicus: Ok.

Archibald of Guernicus: 1 is really there to add to his rap sheet

Milo of Guernicus: "neutral."

Milo of Guernicus smirks

Jørn of Merinita: #2 is only possible of the canon actually has the gift

Archibald of Guernicus: He does

Proclus of Rome: """neutral"""

Milo of Guernicus: Ah, I should also make a token for Fabius' apprentice

Proclus of Rome: """""""""neutral"""""""""

Archibald of Guernicus: Is there an issue, sodales?

Milo of Guernicus: I'll work on that as I recap for the sake of  Jadwig  and  Brown Wind

Proclus of Rome: There is no such thing as a neutral party.

Milo of Guernicus clears through

Milo of Guernicus clears throat

Archibald of Guernicus: What if everyone in the party has True Neutral on their character sheet?

Milo of Guernicus shuffles papers

Milo of Guernicus: "Now let me see.."

Brown Wind: I'm as neutral as a running stag.

Milo of Guernicus: "The objective facts of the case-- and I invite all interested parties to object if I err here--

Proclus of Rome: Stags aren't neutral.

They're pro-fucking does and anti-being eaten by wolves.

Brown Wind: Luckily, those aren't aspects of this case.

Milo of Guernicus: "On (such and such date), I, Milo of House Guernicus, was contacted by Bishop Savelli of Rome and asked to investigate possible magical interference into a fire in the town of Anzio."

"I delegated this task to the capable Archibald of Guernicus and his sodales."

"Archibald did so investigate, and during the course of their investigation, found signs that the conversation between myself and he had been scryed upon. This conversation was then reported back to Bishop Savelli."

"At some point prior to this date, Fabius ex Misc took an unannounced apprentice, mm,"

Milo of Guernicus looks through pages

Milo of Guernicus: gotta look up the name real quick

Proclus of Rome: Milo is a busy man.

Archibald of Guernicus: Melm Ex Horfo

Proclus of Rome: He can't be expected to remember every little detail.

Milo of Guernicus: "Fabius taught this apprentice the secret of Parma Magica."

"Fabius has also been working closely with the Bishop and the Bishop's canons, who possess supernatural abilities of some ilk, to the extent that Fabius built a sanctum within the Bishop's cathedral in Rome."

Proclus of Rome: "Perfectly legal, of course."

Brown Wind: What kind of ilk?

Proclus of Rome: it would probably be a Major Discovery to find out.

Milo of Guernicus: If I see someone typing in response to a judge's question I'll defer to them

Anthemia Mercere: I have no idea what those kinds of abilities could be.

Milo of Guernicus: But if no reply from PCs I'll reply

Anthemia Mercere is quiet, like the other redcaps

Proclus of Rome: Some kind of holy magic, probably.

Archibald of Guernicus: "That remains to be seen, Proclus. Court Wizardry is most certainly a crime."

Milo of Guernicus: "They are unGifted. As I understand it they can create some miraculous effects through ceremony. I believe Archibald investigated some of these effects at Anzio."

Brown Wind: I'd like some testimony from Archibald later.

Jadwiga Ex Misc: "Was anyone else aware of the Bishop's and his subordinates dalliances?"

Archibald of Guernicus: "Aye. They are derived from the divine realm, not the magic realm."

Brown Wind: Or now.

Milo of Guernicus: "Within the Order, no one."

"As a matter of fact, the scheme was only uncovered through an unrelated investigation by Archibald, into one of the church's other canons."

Anthemia Mercere: I'm not sure if anyone who saw me use divine scrying on Father Patrizo is here now.

Proclus of Rome: Good news, it's legal to use magic to scry on mundanes.

Anthemia Mercere: True

Proclus of Rome: Also he's dead.

Well, basically.

Milo of Guernicus: "I believe I have covered the facts of the case as best I can objectively, and anything more will have to be explained by Archibald in his role as prosecutor."

Proclus of Rome: Maybe.

Milo of Guernicus: "I remain present for any questions, of course."

Anthemia Mercere: One less witness to worry about.

Proclus of Rome: Milo puts on his glasses with eyes painted on the lenses and reclines in his seat.

Archibald of Guernicus: "The case in question, should it matter, was a member of the church possibly involved in the infernal."

Proclus of Rome: "It was totally unrelated."

"You might as well tar the entire church for his behavior, at that point."

Archibald of Guernicus: "It was unrelated, aye. Only mentioning should either of our judges wish tae know."

Brown Wind: I have to assume that someone wielding Divine magic isn't being backed by infernal power, but I appreciate your being thorough.

Proclus of Rome: "Then why slander the entire church with your accusations?"

Archibald of Guernicus: "Did I, Proclus? I'm providing context for the coincedence, nothing more."

"With that said, I wish to bring up the simplest charge to prove and prosecute here. Teaching the parma to a non-member."

Proclus of Rome: "Then, an additional piece of context, why not mention that Bishop Savelli is a member of the influential Savelli family in Rome or that the Pope is currently residing in Avignon?"

Jadwiga Ex Misc: "Who have brought this particular charge forward?"

Proclus of Rome: "All I see here is a transparent attempt to plant doubt in the mind of the Tribunal."

(To dys): Should we say you brought the charge or Milo on behalf of house guern

Archibald of Guernicus: "Funny you should bring up the influence the bishop carries, as it will be important later."

Anthemia Mercere: All you have to do to prove your innocence is not resist this spell where I Rego you to make you confess

Proclus of Rome: "Doubt as to the motivations of Fabius and doubt as to the the intention of Eduardo."

(From Archibald of Guernicus): I'm bringing the charge, but on behalf of the house, in my official role

Proclus of Rome: "Excellent question, Jadwiga, who indeed?"

Archibald of Guernicus: "I'm bringing it up, on behalf of House Guernicus, in my official role as quaesitor."

johns (GM): Fabius whispers something to Proclus.

(To Proclus of Rome): "As the facts stand I am guilty of this charge. Should we not accept that and argue extenuating circumstances for the sake of sentencing?"

Proclus of Rome: I'll whisper back to him.

(To Proclus of Rome): Try gmwhisper, i dont know if whispering to fabius' char will go to me

(From Proclus of Rome): "I believe we can sow enough doubt in Archibald's motivations that you can be found innocent on all charges."

Jadwiga Ex Misc: "And who have brought this information, Master Archibald?"

Archibald of Guernicus: "In the course of these investigations, seeing a sanctum marker within the church, we came to discover a private, undeclared sanctum of Fabius' within the church. Within, as this undeclared sanctum carries no legal standing, we found a laboratory set up, and texts on the parma magica. Of course, this means nothing on its own, but as the texts were for training a fresh apprentice, some suspicion was aroused."

(To Proclus of Rome): "I'm entrusting myself to your hands."

Archibald of Guernicus: "You were also present here Proclus, will you confirm these events, or dispute them?"

Proclus of Rome: "Who, precisely found Fabius' sanctum?"

"After all, we didn't all find it independently and at the same time."

Archibald of Guernicus: "If my memory serves me correctly, it was Aristocritus. Unfortunately, and I say this with great sadness, he was slain by a demon in the months of Autumn."

Fabius Ex Misc: Sadness crosses the faces of all in the room.

Many bow their heads in respect to a fallen legend.

Proclus of Rome: "A true tragedy, for he was a great man and a true leader."

"But forgive me, would you remind me how he was able to enter the church?"

"As I recall, it was well after midnight."

Archibald of Guernicus: "Invisibility, an imaginem spell from Beatrice I believe."

Proclus of Rome: "So he used magic to find Fabius Ex Misc's sanctum?"

"Was the sanctum properly indicated as such?"

Brown Wind: "He used magic to travel to Fabius' sanctum, that much is clear. How was it found, exactly?"

Archibald of Guernicus: "The sanctum marker was outside the sanctum, aye. However, no magic was used to scry the interior of the sanctum, this should be made clear."

"His sanctum marker was visible."

Proclus of Rome: "If he used magic to enter the church and find the sanctum, then how is that different from a magi using magic to track the footsteps of his rival to find his sanctum?"

Brown Wind: "It was clearly visible, and yet undeclared?"

Archibald of Guernicus: "Aye. It was kept in the church cellar, and guarded by a mundane guard."

Proclus of Rome: "It is common practice to have mundane guards for a magus' sanctum."

Archibald of Guernicus: "However, as it was undeclared, there was no way of knowing of its existence until the marker was found. Past this point, I would stress, Vardian's Tomb acted carefully to ensure no magical scrying occured, even accidentally."

Proclus of Rome: "Why, I'm sure we all have mundane guards."

"Though not for lack of trying, I'm sure!"

(To Plutonis): You are also free to question Fabius directly at any point if you wish

(To Brown Wind): You are also free to question Fabius directly at any point if you wish

Archibald of Guernicus: "Once the sanctum was entered, names were given openly to avoid confusion and ensure we were known to the occupants."

Proclus of Rome: "So, do you argue that it is legal to have invisible spies wandering the roads and forests of the Roman Tribunal to find the secret sanctums of all and sundry?"

Jadwiga Ex Misc: "I cannot help but wonder why Master Aristocratus would enter a church on the cloak of night with invisibility..."

Lavinia of Jerbiton: I would argue that Proclus

Archibald of Guernicus: "Investigations into the possible infernalist, Jadwiga. This is the case I mentioned from before, that drew us to this sanctum by coincedence."

"We would have had no reason to poke around the church without this other case."

Proclus of Rome: "Any maga announces her presence, as all hermetic magic produces a unique and noticeable sigil."

Jadwiga Ex Misc: "However, he is deceased, and only God may know the answer for that now. In any case, Master Proclus, while the way the accusation seems sketchy, the evidence does look sound."

Proclus of Rome: "That is as good as any name, yet scrying is still forbidden."

Brown Wind: "Fabius, what were your plans with your apprentice?"

Archibald of Guernicus: "One's sigil can be disguised, or not noticed."

Brown Wind: "The Order of Hermes welcomes the gifted."

Proclus of Rome: "I knew Aristocritus well. He was a brave and bold leader, who never allowed anything to stop him from doing what was right, even if it meant bending the rules."

Fabius Ex Misc: "I did seek for my apprentice, Eduardo, to become a fully fledged member of the Order."

Archibald of Guernicus: "Mundane rules, perhaps, not hermetic." I interject

Fabius Ex Misc: "I do, excuse me. I still do."

Proclus of Rome: "However, are we to tolerate scrying if it results in the discovery of violations of the Code of Hermes?"

Brown Wind: "Aristocritus, in his condition, seems a fine scapegoat for any number of things indeed."

Proclus of Rome: "Even should this scrying be initially unrelated to any investigation into wrongdoing by a member of the Order of Hermes?"

Brown Wind: "Fabius, also, I'm sorry, what is his name? Your apprentice, I mean. For the record."

Brown Wind coughs

Fabius Ex Misc: "Eduardo. He is here today," he gestures to the lad to Proclus' right.

Jadwiga Ex Misc: "We are not, but this is a matter to be resolved in another situation. You may denounce the scryers for this court at another occasion, Proclus."

Proclus of Rome: Aristocritus was a good scapegoat when he was alive, too.

"Of course, I merely wished to provide context to the discovery of the texts in question."

"As Aristocritus died gloriously in combat with the forces of Hell and left no magical heirs, any allegations against him would merely serve to tarnish his legacy."

"I would never do such a thing."

devil's fav demon: lol

Archibald of Guernicus: "In a perfect world, the invisibility would merely have been dispelled rather than the measures taken, but in a divine aura of that strength, we all know how dangerous spontaneous casting can be." I nod to my fellow magi. You all know whats up.

Fabius Ex Misc: all proper magic-aligned/faerie-aligned wizards here know what's up

props to shaun for DJing today's trial

Brown Wind: nice music

Archibald of Guernicus: "With that said, as Fabius' name had came up in an earlier case I had investigated, I decided to pursue. Before continuing, I relayed what had been discovered to the House, and made my investigation known."

"We met with Fabius, Proclus and I, and asked him about the details here. His apprentice, Eduardo - undisclosed, I should remind you all - had been taught the parma several years previously!"

Proclus of Rome: "Do you propose to investigate any and all magi whose name you see in an unusual circumstance?"

Archibald of Guernicus: "No, merely those whose actions and name link them to several possible high crimes, Proclus."

"Crimes which, as you well know, were all true!"

Proclus of Rome: "What high crimes did you suspect Fabius Ex Misc of at the time?"

"Surely that is up to our sodales to decide."

Archibald of Guernicus: "I suspected him of teaching the parma magica to an apprentice. The secrecy of the sanctum, the texts within, it aroused enough suspicion that I made a formal investigation."

"Milo can of course vouch that this was declared in full before proceeding."

Milo of Guernicus: let me consult the session log to see when milo was informed

Archibald of Guernicus: It was between the lab discovery, and meeting Fabius.

So, after the discovery of the parma texts but before any further action was taken

Milo of Guernicus: Yeah

"I vouch for this timeline."

Jadwiga Ex Misc: "Have these texts been secured?"

Proclus of Rome: "So, for you, the mere existence of texts detailing the Parma Magica was enough for you to continue your investigation?"

Fabius Ex Misc: "They are still in my possession, your honor."

Brown Wind: "He would have to possess them, to teach his apprentice the Parma after swearing the Oath, after all."

Archibald of Guernicus: "They were returned to Fabius. A mundane staying at the covenant was there, and took the texts with him to show us. We immediately sent them back to Fabius with an apology that he did so, of course, as none of us would dream of depriving another magus of his texts."

Jadwiga Ex Misc: "What other texts have been found in this sanctum?"

"Anything that might serve as evidence for the court?"

Archibald of Guernicus: "Nothing else of particular interest to the court was found."

Proclus of Rome: "I need hardly remind the Tribunal that texts on Parma Magica are quite common, as these things go."

(To Proclus of Rome): May I share that there were texts on Holy Magic in my sanctum

Fabius Ex Misc whispers to Proclus

Archibald of Guernicus: "Of course, of course. But a private sanctum is less secure than a magus' true one, and so any text taken out there would, logically, be in active use, would ye agree? When a magus of Fabius' age was keeping a text for total beginners on something as fundamental as the parma, aye, suspicion was aroused."

"And, as ye will soon see, totally justified." I say to the judges

(From Brown Wind): do magi automatically know if another person has the parma? i dont actually know if it's a fact of the case that eduardo knows it.

Proclus of Rome: I whisper back.

Jadwiga Ex Misc: "It could be some sort of memento, or perhaps something he could use for a later use..."

(To Brown Wind): No, they would only know if they used magic to find out

(From Proclus of Rome): "Yes, I believe it will be key in this case."

Archibald of Guernicus: "Perhaps, perhaps. Though his name had came up in an earlier case, as I said."

Proclus of Rome: "I will attest myself that the library at the Vardian's Tomb covenant contains an elementary text on the Art of Ignem."

Brown Wind: "Eduardo, could you please recite the seventh paragraph of the Oath of Hermes?"

Fabius Ex Misc: "The other texts in my sanctum were texts about my tradition of Magic, which are intelligible to standard Hermetic Magi."

Archibald of Guernicus: "Fabius was using a seperate name with the mundanes in the church. This name had come up with regards to the scrying on myself and others, in a case that was already linked to Fabius, years before."

Jadwiga Ex Misc: "Wait, what earlier case?"

Apprentice Eduardo thinks for a moment

Apprentice Eduardo: "I request that should I break this oath, I be cast out of the Order. If I am cast out of the Order, I ask my sodales to find me and slay me, that my life not continue in degradation and infamy."

Proclus of Rome: "It need hardly be said that the use of names other than your baptismal name is so common as to be unworthy of comment."

Archibald of Guernicus: "The fire at Anzio. Fabius had been in a dispute over the area with another magus, the name escapes me for now but I believe it came to tribunal long ago. After investigating, we found that the magical interference was divine - from the strange divine magic that the group that Fabius was with - but in the course of investigations, we discovered that a conversation had been scried on, recorded, and passed along."

Proclus of Rome: "I must thank you, Brown Wind, for illustrating the importance of this case for all concerned."

Brown Wind: "He's learning, and may be soon ready to learn the Parma."

Milo of Guernicus: "I need to correct that slightly Archibald"

Brown Wind: "I have not yet seen evidence that he has been taught it prematurely."

Milo of Guernicus: "The earliest dispute-- before the fire or anything about this case-- involved Karnatia of Tremere and Exileratus of Flambeau, and their interference with Anzio"

Archibald of Guernicus: "Ah, my mistake. My apologies, of course, to Fabius."

"However, his psuedonym did come up, in relation to the case."

Proclus of Rome: "And to Karnatia and Exileratus for dragging such an ugly dispute before Tribunal, again."

Brown Wind: "Always with these Potestas..."

Proclus of Rome: "Why do you believe that scrying was used to record our conversation with Milo?"

Exileratus of Flambeau: "It's ancient history. It's got nothing to do with this mess."

Archibald of Guernicus: "The entire conversation was recorded and handed along to a priest in the area. Given that this investigation began as an investigation into a magical disturbance, scrying was the most likely cause."

Jadwiga Ex Misc: "That's not for you to say, Exileratus."

Archibald of Guernicus: "Who outside the order would spy on a private meeting at the Guernicus villa?"

Proclus of Rome: "How many people were in the room when this was being discussed?"

Milo of Guernicus: "Myself, Archibald, some of Archibald's sodales, and my scribes were in the room and visible at the time."

Archibald of Guernicus: "Aye. None with any reason tae pass along the conversation to a priest at Anzio, that is for sure."

Proclus of Rome: "Can you vouch utterly for the loyalty of your scribes?"

Archibald of Guernicus: "IF a scribe was paid off to spy for another magus, this would still be a high crime, Proclus. The nature of how does not matter as much as the nature of what was done. Spying, on multiple magi of the order."

Milo of Guernicus: "Utterly.. um, hm, almost."

Proclus of Rome: "One can hardly call mere bribery scrying."

Brown Wind: "Almost?"

Proclus of Rome: "It is purely mundane spying, as all of us are doing here, today."

Milo of Guernicus: "I would say yes but utterly is a very strong word."

"I have subjected them to investigation under Mentem magic to ensure they harbor no thoughts of betrayal."

Proclus of Rome: "Further more, without going into any detail you would not be comfortable with, is your vila immune from mundane spying, such as a spy pressing their ear to the door?"

Milo of Guernicus: "The villa is magically disguised as a ruin from the outside to avoid any mundane attention."

Proclus of Rome: "But should anyone be aware of it's true nature, could they do as I described?"

Milo of Guernicus: "In theory..."

Proclus of Rome: "Then it is fully possible that the substance of your conversation with Archibald could have been discovered using totally mundane means."

Milo of Guernicus rolls his eyes

Milo of Guernicus: "Possible."

"Unlikely."

Archibald of Guernicus: "It changes little, as the charge was already confirmed by Fabius himself upon questioning. Spying on another magus is still in violation of the peripheral code. And how much magic was used to do so, and whether it was fully mundane or was truly scrying, is something the judges will have to decide for themselves."

"More importantly, the main charge. Fabius confirmed, upon questioning, that Eduardo had been taught the parma several years before. Several years, everyone" I look around the assembled magi "That he, an unsworn apprentice, had full knowledge of the parma, and access to texts to do as he pleased with."

"Of course, the apprentice has no wrongdoing here, he had sworn no oath and is the responsibility of his parens."

"Proclus, you heard this testimony as well. You will confirm it for the tribunal, aye?"

Proclus of Rome: "Certainly, I would never attempt to lie before a Tribunal."

Milo of Guernicus: someone ask proclus if he's a stinky hedge wizard

Archibald of Guernicus: brb 1 minute

Proclus of Rome: Ok.

Jadwiga Ex Misc: "Then the apprentice shall be taken inside the order and properly taught within, or else he will be killed as the laws say so."

Archibald of Guernicus: back

Proclus of Rome: "Fabius, did you intend to induct Eduardo into the Order of Hermes?"

Archibald of Guernicus: "He has sworn the oath of hermes, Jadwiga. He was given the chance to do so, and did."

Fabius Ex Misc: "Yes, I intended that"

Archibald of Guernicus: "Though when this would have happened without this investigation, who can say."

Fabius Ex Misc: "To induct him"

Proclus of Rome: "Why did you keep Eduardo a secret from the rest of the Tribunal?"

Fabius Ex Misc whispers to Proclus

(To Proclus of Rome): Part of the reason is that he had the Parma.

(From Proclus of Rome): Sure, but the entire project was kept secret.

Proclus of Rome: I whisper back to Fabius.

Fabius Ex Misc: "Eduardo has been brought up in a tradition that some call "Holy Magic." It is incompatible with regular Hermetic magic. Were a Hermetic Bonisagus to take Eduardo for their own apprentice, his knowledge of these arts would have been flawed."

Proclus of Rome: "So you would say that, in addition to being your apprentice, Eduardo was part of your magical research?"

Fabius Ex Misc: "No."

Proclus of Rome: "I see."

Jadwiga Ex Misc: "And you believe you know better about who is better suitable to teach the young man?"

"That is not an acceptable excuse.'

Fabius Ex Misc: "Respectfully, I do, having been trained both in the Hermetic arts and Holy Magic myself."

Proclus of Rome: Gasp!

Fabius Ex Misc: "When I learned Holy Magic, late in my life, I had to renounce my Hermetic magic. I am not very strong in Holy Magic, having picked it up late and having to adjust from my prior form.

Eduardo, who is trained from the beginning in Holy Magic, would be able to use it properly."

"In turn, he would be best able to apprentice future practioners and to continue the tradition."

Archibald of Guernicus: "You believed the risk of one of house bonisagus taking your apprentice to retrain him, a 15 year process I might add, from scratch, was so great that you would commit a high crime?"

Brown Wind: "It's a pretty serious crime."

Archibald of Guernicus: "House Bonisagus is a proud tradition of preserving knowledge, not stamping over it. These things could be discussed cordially."

Proclus of Rome: "Keeping a secret apprentice is not one of the charges leveled against Fabius."

Fabius Ex Misc: "Correct me if I'm wrong, but I did not think it was a high crime to take an apprentice without mentioning it. Certainly when I was asked about my apprentice I said who it was right away."

"If a Bonisagus took my apprentice, I did not expect him to retrain my apprentice, but to finish the customary 15 year apprenticeship in a way that left him deficient in both Holy Magic and Hermetic Arts."

Jadwiga Ex Misc: "Indeed, you could have brought your case, and Tribunal might as well have conceded it to you, Fabius, but to keep this deception for fifteen years does not bode well to you."

Archibald of Guernicus: "Taking an apprentice was no crime, concealing it was suspect, perhaps, but that is not the charge. The charge was teaching him the parma, and making no attempt to induct him into the order afterwards."

"In essence, teaching parma to one outside the order of hermes. A high crime."

Brown Wind: "The deception wouldn't be an issue, the training of Bjornaer are quite secretive, after all. I understand why you would want to keep the training of your apprentice in a controlled environment. But that doesn't excuse teaching him the Parma."

(To Proclus of Rome): At this point, I'd like that we argue that the teaching should not be a crime. I did hope to force the issue.

Fabius Ex Misc whispers to Proclus

Fabius Ex Misc enjoys the tunes

Proclus of Rome: "How is the Parma usually taught in your house, Brown Wind? Only answer if it does not reveal any of your houses' secrets, of course."

Anthemia Mercere tips her cap

Brown Wind: "At that point, in the official manner, with a quaesitor and another house magus present."

devil's fav demon: i think. iirc.

Fabius Ex Misc: "I'd like to speak to the nature of the charge, if I may."

Proclus of Rome: "Now, how do you protect your apprentice until that time?"

Fabius Ex Misc defers to Proclus for the time

Fabius Ex Misc: does brown wind not want to answer that

Brown Wind: "I won't reveal. We do. It is much like a standard Hermetic apprenticeship."

Proclus of Rome: "Of course, of course."

Fabius Ex Misc: Shall I speak, Proclus

Proclus of Rome: "The usual approach is to protect an apprentice with one's own Parma Magica, as well as to use the Aegis of the Hearth."

"It was not possible to use the Aegis of the Hearth, in this case, as the Apprentice lived and worked in a church."

devil's fav demon: bjornaers use a system where a new apprentice is the apprentice of the whole sept of the clan and is trained under multiple maga for a period

Proclus of Rome: "As any of my sodales will tell you, there are many magical threats stalking the streets of Rome, so safety is paramount."

Brown Wind: "Fabius has renounced Hermetic magic, so he would not be able to extend the Parma to his apprentice, this much is true."

Fabius Ex Misc: "I still have the Parma Magica."

Brown Wind: oh.

whoops.

Fabius Ex Misc: :)

Proclus of Rome: Yeah, it's an Arcane Ability that anyone with the Gift can learn.

Totally separate from the Ars Magica.

In any case...

"Archibald, can you explain to the Tribunal what case brought us to Fabius' sanctum that night?"

Archibald of Guernicus: "Aye, of course. But I thought you considered it unimportant? You said, as I recall, it cast unwarranted doubts."

Proclus of Rome: "I appreciate your loyalty to me, but, as you said, it is important to provide context. I see that now, thank you."

Fabius Ex Misc: pwned!!!~

Archibald of Guernicus: Christ. Jesus.

"The case was on an island in the southwest of Italy. We had heard rumours that there was treasure buried in a burned monastery, unrecovered, and the decision was made to investigate. There we found an infernal regio, with a demon within it, offering safety from the burning church to all who would join it. Naturally, I attacked it immediately, and it fled barely alive."

Proclus of Rome: "Very brave."

Archibald of Guernicus: "There was a survivor of this incident, and suspicion was aroused. A sole survivor of an infernalist incident, and a demon offering safety for those who would ally with it? Not something that can be overlooked."

Anthemia Mercere: Sorry, didn't know how long that RE one went

Proclus of Rome: HEH.

Fabius Ex Misc: spookies

Archibald of Guernicus: "That survivor, a priest, was at the church Fabius' sanctum was at. As one of our group was looking to have him tried, we were investigating this possible infernalist."

"Then we ran into the sanctum marker, and you know the rest."

Proclus of Rome: "We should all be so cautious of the powers of demons."

"As, indeed, Fabius was."

"Would any of us expose our apprentices to the powers of Hell, defenseless as they are?"

"But, what if they could be kept safe?"

Archibald of Guernicus: "Aye. Dinnae get me wrong here, I believe that teaching the parma prematurely can have purpose, in situations like this. But there is an important part here that must be stressed. If the parma is taught early, the oath must be sworn immediately, and the apprentice declared."

"The crime was not teaching the parma at all. After all, every one of us here was taught the parma! The crime was teaching to someone outside the order, and making nae effort to induct him intae the order. For several years!"

Proclus of Rome: "Certainly the apprentice was declared. Fabius revealed the information as soon as he was asked."

Jadwiga Ex Misc: ". . ."

Proclus of Rome: "Are you suggesting that there should be a central organization that monitors all magi with apprentices?"

Archibald of Guernicus: "I am suggesting that the oath of hermes is clear. The parma magica must not be taught to those outside the order."

"And the apprentice was outside the order, Proclus."

Proclus of Rome: "Apprentices can hardly be considered to be outside the Order entirely."

Brown Wind: brb

Jadwiga Ex Misc: "This is no time for sophistry, Proclus."

Proclus of Rome: "They are instructed and monitored by their filius."

Fabius Ex Misc: this is the best time for sophistry honestly

Archibald of Guernicus: "A hedge wizard's promises that he would have been inducted 'eventually' do not cover years of deception and oath-breaking."

Proclus of Rome: "Any threat to the Order of Hermes is safely contained by their parens."

"'Hedge wizard'? Fabius is a full member of the Order of Hermes!"

"Would you banish all non-Hermetic magi from the Order?"

Fabius Ex Misc: probably

Archibald of Guernicus: "Yes, by accountability, Proclus. If Eduardo walked the streets of Rome screaming the nature of the parma to all who could hear it, he would be Fabius' responsibility to deal with. IF it could be proved he was Fabius' apprentice, though."

Anthemia Mercere: Let's give the Augustans and Sahir more recruits

Proclus of Rome: "But it is a fact that he did not do this."

Fabius Ex Misc: "Archibald, I agree it is my responsibility."

Archibald of Guernicus: "Magi are entitled to their privacy. The nature of the apprenticeship, the things taught, all these are private. Only one thing is asked: that the oath be obeyed. If magi cannot even abide by the oath they swear, chaos will descend. We have all seen what a lawless tribunal looks like! Look at Normandy!"

Fabius Ex Misc: "So far, no harm has come from the act for me to take responsibility for."

Jadwiga Ex Misc: "I have a verdict ready for the case of the Apprentice Eduardo."

Proclus of Rome: "Archibald, I must ask you one more question."

"Are you a Christian?"

Archibald of Guernicus: "I cannae say I am, no."

Fabius Ex Misc: "I have let Proclus speak on my behalf on the matter, Honorable Jadwiga, may I argue my own reasons for what I have done?"

Proclus of Rome: "So, you admit that you have a personal bias against so-called 'hedge wizards'?"

Jadwiga Ex Misc: "Haven't you done so already?"

Fabius Ex Misc: "Proclus' arguments are not my own. I did not want to interrupt him earlier."

Jadwiga Ex Misc: (Regarding the thing about raising him for his Holy Magic that is)

"Very well then."

Fabius Ex Misc: "I'm speaking about the issue of the Parma, to be clear."

Jadwiga Ex Misc: (BRB, need to buy dinner)

Brown Wind: Ok, ok.

I got my dinner.

Archibald of Guernicus: "None at all. Non-hermetic traditions are part of the order, and integrating these into hermetic theory is an honourable tradition. Just look at the strides taken in the last century."

Proclus of Rome: "It would seem this entire investigation is nothing more than the persecution of an honest magi for his research into esoteric forms of magic, with much of the charges conjured up from thin air to fit what little evidence of wrongdoing exists."

Archibald of Guernicus: "Researching what happens if the parma is taught to an outsider and left to do as they please for several years?"

Proclus of Rome: I whisper to Fabius.

Brown Wind: "Proclus, I am interested in hearing Fabius speak."

(From Proclus of Rome): Go ahead.

Fabius Ex Misc: "I will be brief.. I was born with the Gentle Gift, which has allowed me many opportunities that most Magi cannot have. My apprentice on the other hand is shunned my mundane society and without the ability to share his Parma, could not have undergone the instruction and tutoring from mundanes necessary for his education."

"It's my personal belief that prohibiting our apprentices from learning the Parma restricts their development unnecessarily. I do not believe it should be a crime at all, and in this tribunal, we have an opportunity to question the merits of the charge."

Proclus of Rome: I nod vigorously in agreement.

Archibald of Guernicus: "A fine argument. No, no, you speak from the heart, and it is a matter where nuance must be observed. But... what part of this would have been impeded by inducting Eduardo into the order?"

"There is precedent for teaching the parma early. It's certainly not something anyone would bring against you at tribunal, on its own."

Fabius Ex Misc: "I could not induct Eduardo into the order prematurely without committing another crime, of inadequately training my apprentice."

Brown Wind: "A much less severe crime."

Fabius Ex Misc: "Debatably."

Archibald of Guernicus: "But you have an argument for your case, there. A lower crime, and proper justification. Certainly not something worth risking a high crimes trial over!"

Fabius Ex Misc: "From the Apprentice's point of view, ending their teaching early is certainly more severe than teaching them the Parma earlier."

Archibald of Guernicus: "Why would his teaching be cut short? I don't believe anyone would argue for such a thing to happen."

Brown Wind: "Fabius believes he alone is capable of instructing Eduardo in Holy Magic."

Archibald of Guernicus: I want to make a code of hermes roll about peripheral code stuff relating to inducting an apprentice early, but still teaching them

Proclus of Rome: "Once an apprenticeship is ended, then there can be no more instruction, as the new magus is free to do as he pleases."

Fabius Ex Misc: oocly I know nothing about it

let's flip through the guernicus chapter real quick and see if it has anything

Shauncat (GM): I know usually Parma is the last thing you do before the gauntlet

Proclus of Rome: Deficient Arts is a minor virtue and doesn't also contain "parens was insanely and brutally marched" so it's probably legal.

I mean minor flaw.

Archibald of Guernicus: "Perhaps, but he also may continue learning from Fabius. Fabius clearly does not wish his training to be inadequate."

Fabius Ex Misc: according to the book Apprntices

According

to Hermetic Law, a student undergoes

apprenticeship for 15 years,

during which he must be taught

one season a year. The other three

Fabius Ex Misc: seasons are at the parens’ discretion.

devil's fav demon: a bjornaer is accepted as a bjornaer and considered to have passed his apprentice's gauntlet, with a voice equal to any other member of the house, after the Ritual of Twelve Years. The remaining years are under a single master to fulfill Hermetic requirements.

Fabius Ex Misc: mm

so 15 years does seem to be the Law

"I think that encouraging Parens to end apprenticeships early would be a hardship on the apprentices in the long run."

Archibald of Guernicus: "Intention is important here. If Fabius came to the tribunal, with an apprentice taught the parma prematurely, and made this argument, I would levy no charge against him. Eduardo may do so, if he chooses, of course, but that is his decision to make. If the parma was taught early to his benefit alone, I see little reason for him to turn on his parens for it."

"However, it was concealed for one reason, and one reason alone. This method would have allowed him to get away with a high crime, without it ever being discovered, if he had completed the apprenticeship and pretended he only taught the parma at the end."

Proclus of Rome: "As you say, we have no way to know what would have happened if you hadn't begun this investigation, so such speculation must therefore be useless."

Archibald of Guernicus: "Intentions do matter, and the intention was to commit a high crime, to avoid punishment for a low one."

Proclus of Rome: "That seems very illogical."

Archibald of Guernicus: "The fact that this would never have come to light without investigation is not a point in Fabius' favour, Proclus."

Fabius Ex Misc: "I would have revealed the status of Eduardo's Parma at the time he was gauntleted, if it had not come up earlier."

"I have always intended to press this issue."

Proclus of Rome: "Furthermore, Fabius' testimony and impassioned defense of his own, minor crime, is itself evidence that he had no wish to keep this a secret forever."

Archibald of Guernicus: "You are sayiing you would have stood and confessed to a high crime, willingly?"

Proclus of Rome: "For if it had remained a secret, then this debate could never have taken place."

Fabius Ex Misc: "Did I not do so when you spoke to me in the Cathedral?"

Proclus of Rome: "It is a fact that, apart from this investigation, there has been no negative result for the Order of Hermes at all."

"Eduardo has not shared the secrets of the Parma Magica with hostile sorcerers, no Hermetic Magus has been harmed, and no mundanes have been turned against us."

Archibald of Guernicus: "Unfortunately, Proclus, it is not enough that nothing immediately terrible has happened to justify breaking the oath of hermes."

Proclus of Rome: "Indeed, the Order has never seen such cooperation with the Church before!"

Archibald of Guernicus: "It opened up risk to the order, and the fact that we were lucky on this occasion that it did not, has no bearing on this case. Should we allow those who break the code of hermes to get away with it, and set this precedent?"

Fabius Ex Misc: "I do not believe I have broken any part of the Oath. If I have violated part of the code-- the code is flexible, and it is up for us to determine what it is."

Archibald of Guernicus: "That you can break the code, as long as no negative consequences come to light? I argue, no, and I strongly urge the judges tae heed this."

"This is not a precedent we should ever set."

Fabius Ex Misc: "I am not arguing that Archibald."

Proclus of Rome: "The Code on it's own is not enough to protect the Order of Hermes. It must be tempered with the wisdom, knowledge, and experience of the Magi who live in it."

"As times change, so too must the Code of Hermes."

Archibald of Guernicus: "Of course. His confession, his honesty when confronted, these must be factored in."

"I would not dream of putting to him the same kind of punishment that an unrepentant liar actively endangering us all would face."

"But it is still a high crime, and high crimes carry high penalty. Without law, well. Ye can see what it creates, elsewhere."

Proclus of Rome: "I move that the charges of Interference with Mundanes and Scrying be stricken from the record."

Archibald of Guernicus: "The scrying is up to the judges tae decide. It is a known fact he spied on his fellow magi, on quaesitors, even. And that this information was relayed tae mundanes in the area being investigated. Hampering official business from Guernicus while, at bare minimum, spying on its members, is not something that should be casually tossed aside."

Proclus of Rome: "Spying is, of course, fully legal."

Fabius Ex Misc: would folks like to talk a lil' break til Plutonis gets back

Proclus of Rome: Sure.

Archibald of Guernicus: Oh, sure, sure.

Brown Wind: Sure, sure.

Archibald of Guernicus: I think the next charges will be shorter

and more up in the air

since theyre basically coming down to how the judges are feeling

Proclus of Rome: Yeah since they're totally phony.

Fabius Ex Misc: lol

Brown Wind: hah

Fabius Ex Misc: ty charles "proclus" darrow

Archibald of Guernicus dramatically gasps

Brown Wind: I think I know where I'm going to land.

Fabius Ex Misc: Endrite came to me and he said, I got a strategy. We're going to put the  system  on trial.

Shauncat (GM): It's wizard recess, time to hide from the bullies

Jadwiga Ex Misc: back

Proclus of Rome: Oh no, it turns out wizards are all nerds.

Fabius Ex Misc: except for jerbitons ofc

the 4chan meme about virgin/chad walk except it's bonisagus / jerbiton

Archibald of Guernicus: The Bonisagus pee / The Jerbiton sprinkle

Hunched over from poring over tomes all day. Pale skin from nocturnal lab routine.

Fabius Ex Misc: Okay Plutonis so right now Fabius is arguing that it should NOT be a crime to teach apprentices the parma

Proclus of Rome: It's part of the Peripheral Code and not the Oath of Hermes, so it is possible to change it.

Brown Wind: But is changing it a good idea?

devil's fav demon: see, while i may not have personally endangered or brought ruin to the order by doing something insanely illegal, i argue that it should be legal, adn thus endanger and bring ruin to the order

Proclus of Rome: Well I mean you have to use your own judgement.

Archibald of Guernicus: It's not technically illegal. It's jsut that no matter how you proceed after doing it, you're committing some sort of crime.

Shauncat (GM): Generally you don't gauntlet an apprentice with no parma

Archibald of Guernicus: It's also unrelated to his actual case, which is that he taught parma to a non-member, which is very illegal and much less illegal than the other route of teaching then inducting.

Proclus of Rome: Actually you do, the "key" to the Parma Magica is typically the last thing a parens teaches his apprentice.

Archibald of Guernicus: Anyway, the case is moving on, sort of. There's 2 other charges.

They're a bit flimsy but they can provide a high combo multiplier if you accept them

Proclus of Rome: *Fake charges invented by a pagan.

Brown Wind: What's wrong with being a pagan?

Proclus of Rome: Wow, is this what we're doing now?

Not persecuting pagans?

Anyway.

Is everyone back?

Fabius Ex Misc: I am here.

Jadwiga Ex Misc: "I know about the necessity to protect and foster traditions other than the Hermetic one. Not more than four generations ago my ancestors were priests of the ancient gods of our land, before the Novgorod Tribunal came alongside Christianity, and it is thanks to the House Ex Miscellanea that some of our practices have survived to this day, more than we can say about our former faith."

Jørn of Merinita: If we didn't want to be secular we could just make the Order part of the church.

Fabius Ex Misc: MAYBE WE SHOULD

oops I didn't say that out loud.

Proclus of Rome: Secular and pagan are totally different.

Jadwiga Ex Misc: "That being said, as much as I sympathize with the reasons presented by Fabius, the fact is: Had he presented his research and his potential apprentice to at least his House, not to say his Tribunal, he would most likely be left to pursue Eduardo's education at his own discretion, and perhaps would have even better results, as his teachings would not be hampered by his need for deception."

Archibald of Guernicus: I nod

Brown Wind: also nodding

Proclus of Rome: I nod at this blatant power grab.

Archibald of Guernicus: "Holy Magic is something worth a place in the order, without such secrecy. The discussion prompted about the teaching of parma prematurely is, perhaps, something we should find a way to accomodate within the law. Perhaps this would be the discussion we are having now, if the apprentice was declared and inducted. Sadly, secrecy has kept this firmly within the normal bounds of the code, and the oath of hermes. A high crime was committed, and there is no doubt in this."

Jørn of Merinita: You have to be born a Jew to join the Holy Magic tradition already integrated into Ex Misc

Proclus of Rome: "If the Tribunal wishes to centralize the instruction of apprentices, then I must defer to the will of greater community of magi, though I of course protest any such idea."

Archibald of Guernicus: Oh my mistake. It has no place in the order, and we should kill them all.

"Not centralise, no, but find a way to protect the knowledge of the parma, while allowing an apprentice to learn it during instruction, if absolutely necessary."

Jadwiga Ex Misc: He could just cut off his fucking foreskin

Brown Wind: That's probably why his holy magic is so weak.

He just cut his foreskin off recently.

Jadwiga Ex Misc: :weebey:

Fabius Ex Misc: "We could begin by agreeing that withholding the Parma to the end of apprenticeship is no crime. Agreeing it here, at Tribunal."

I mean

not withholding

Proclus of Rome: "Such a thing could not be done without restricting the free exchange of knowledge about the Parma Magica between Hermetic Magi, but if such is the Tribunal's will, I accept it.

"

Fabius Ex Misc: hehe

Archibald of Guernicus: "As for the other charges, the charge of scrying I leave to the judges to decide. For interference with the mundanes, I would like to call to attention that the Bishop Savelli has been made fully aware of all that is going on, and actively co-operates with Fabius. The Savelli's have great political power - as Proclus pointed out - and if any aid was being given to the bishop, this is barely a step above being a court wizard."

Proclus of Rome: "Mere slander."

"Bishop Savelli knew full well of the existence of Holy Magic."

Fabius Ex Misc: "I have no part in the mundane affairs of Bishop Savelli, only the spiritual."

Brown Wind: "Your clandestine lab was also rent free? Nice."

Proclus of Rome: "Futhermore, mere interaction with the great and powerful men of Italy is no crime, as any magi can attest."

Archibald of Guernicus: "Interaction while acting openly as a magus, and participating in actions together. As I recall, when the bishop was asked about the spying, he very quickly tried tae get us tae leave."

Jadwiga Ex Misc: "Fabius will give all of the material that the Apprentice has been taught, and someone else shall finish his apprenticeship and make sure he joins the Order properly. Once Eduardo is initiated within the Order and his teachings are properly evaluated, the full extent of Fabius punishment shall be chosen, but if his claims and his defense are true, I shall make sure it is as lenient as possible for a High Crime."

Fabius Ex Misc: "My apprentice does not deserve to suffer for my actions!"

Proclus of Rome: "I would request that, should a vote to change the rule covering the teaching Parma Magica to an apprentice be called before that time, that Fabius not be punished."

Endrite: Lost Odyssey - It's the Nutshack

Archibald of Guernicus: "I object to that proposal. That would be a matter if the apprentice was declared and inducted, not if his training was kept secret."

Jadwiga Ex Misc: "He will not, if he has been properly taught the Parma and Holy Magic. If the apprentice is a proper Magus, you shall not take no credit for this. If he is a Diabolist or a failure, you will suffer the consequences."

Archibald of Guernicus: Jadwiga really going ham

Proclus of Rome: "With whom do you suggest we apprentice Eduardo?"

Brown Wind: "I find no evidence of Fabius as guilty of magical scrying. He has interfered with the affairs of mundanes. While Eduardo knowing the Parma may not be a danger alone, his suggestion that a magus may teach the Parma to anyone and keep it a secret so long as he has the intention of someday inducting him to the Order is a danger to us all and demands that Fabius be slain."

* fabius' suggestion

Archibald of Guernicus: Now this is why guest judges are good

Proclus of Rome: "Are we to keep our lips sealed in confession now, to avoid interference with mundanes?"

Brown Wind: Eduardo's remaining years of apprenticeship will probably be subject to some amount of jockeying and bidding.

Fabius Ex Misc: Eduardo looks shocked at Brown Wind's declaration.

Fabius is calm as a cucumber

Jadwiga Ex Misc: "I shall take this task myself."

Proclus of Rome: "What about non-Gifted wizards? Are we to ignore them for fear of interfering with Mundanes?"

Fabius Ex Misc: well that's the next case on the docket proclus

Brown Wind: Fabius is probably going to cast a spell and be a powerful martyr anyway.

Proclus of Rome: I'm just such a passionate defender of truth.

AND justice.

Fabius Ex Misc: "This is the verdict and sentence of both judges, then?"

Brown Wind: Fabius is a man of good intentions, and strong faith. He made a tragic decision. Precedent can't be set to his whims, however, even if they are noble at heart.

Proclus of Rome: I'm not sure that the Order of Hermes even uses the Common Law system.

Jadwiga Ex Misc: I don't believe a step as tragic as the death penalty is necessary, but if my colleague says so...

Archibald of Guernicus: My heart and actions are unclouded. They are all those of [Hermetic Law]

Fabius Ex Misc: it does afiak

even though that seems strangely out of step with its romanic roots

Proclus of Rome: It makes sense since magi are very individualistic.

Jadwiga Ex Misc: *drastic

Fabius Ex Misc: "I understand it is tradition for a marched magus to be safe on Tribunal grounds, which are sacrosanct, until the Tribunal is formally concluded."

"I would like to ask to remain present for the next issue, be I marched or not."

Jadwiga Ex Misc: "Very well. You shall be stripped of the Order once Tribunal is over. I am sorry."

johns (GM): Well

How about that.

Archibald of Guernicus tugs collar

johns (GM): conf points to the judges and the spirited lawyers.

Proclus of Rome: Congrats everyone.

Archibald of Guernicus: From now on people can go oh jesus. it's judge jadwiga, she's a psycho

devil's fav demon: lol

Proclus of Rome: I mean if I don't tell them who did it.

It was you.

johns (GM): people can go, it's Archibald. he gets people killed

Archibald of Guernicus: I argued only for the law, the sentence was decided by the judges.

johns (GM): Fabius shares some quiet words with Proclus and Eduardo. Milo goes up to Archibald, claps him on the back and gives him a hearty handshake.

devil's fav demon: based on my crash re-reading of the hermetic code it really is a serious problem to teach the parma to someone who isn't in the order.

Archibald of Guernicus: Still, it's a pretty high profile case, and an overwhelming victory

devil's fav demon: i'm supposed to be neutral.

Jadwiga Ex Misc: tbh i'd go for clemency

johns (GM): hmm

Plutonis: were it not to wind

johns (GM): do you two want to hash it out

Archibald of Guernicus: "I wonder, perhaps, if a full marching was needed." I confide in Milo "If deterring others is worth the potential loss of a tradition."

Proclus of Rome: All of a sudden the law isn't so important when it means murdering an innocent man, huh?

johns (GM): lol

devil's fav demon: If his sodales aren't willing to find and slay him, bring them up on trial too imo

Archibald of Guernicus: You're right, I should decapitate him here and now

Shauncat (GM): This is why we invented wristslaps

Plutonis: I thought letting him live but never let him talk or approach his Apprentice again

Archibald of Guernicus: Don't talk to me or your son ever again

Plutonis: or continue to research on his magic

which is honestly almost as cruel

johns (GM): i dont' want to weigh in one way or another, and everyone else here is unfortunately a bit biased in some direction

Proclus of Rome: For example, I am biased in favor of justice.

While Archibald is interested in personal glory.

devil's fav demon: that's why the code says they you're killed if cast out, because living in that state is so bad.

Proclus of Rome: Uh...

johns (GM): When a magus is cast out of the Order, he loses all

legal protections. He is an outlaw. Any magus can kill him

with impunity. The parens of a Marched magus has a duty

to find and slay him, but usually there is no shortage of

volunteers.

Proclus of Rome: I'm not sure that's quite correct.

Plutonis: which kind of justice

devil's fav demon: what johns said.

Plutonis: "absolute", "dark" or "lazy"

Proclus of Rome: Magi just love to kill each other.

Archibald of Guernicus: Can you blame them?

johns (GM): thats canon endrite

Proclus of Rome: It is.

Brown Wind: I hate to sentence him to death, but it's part of the rules.

Archibald of Guernicus: The order basically exists to make sure all killings are legal.

And if they arent they kill you

Shauncat (GM): It makes sense, it's hard for magi to benefit from working together on something simultaneously, but benefit greatly from the completed works of others

Which puts the incentives incentives on killing each other and taking their stuff.

johns (GM): Brown Wind seems pretty set on this course. Shall we proceed as though Wizard's March is the final sentence?

Archibald of Guernicus: The real crime here is that the only charge that didnt stick was scrying, which would have forced him to pay us a fine.

devil's fav demon: hah

johns (GM): yeah lol at losing on that charge

Proclus of Rome: Owned idiot.

Archibald of Guernicus: It was flimsy without proper evidence. I'll take more precautions in future.

Plutonis: Yeah, rip him then

Brown Wind: if only he had also admitted to the scrying.

Plutonis: Go on the march

gavel pounding sound effect

Archibald of Guernicus: So. We just found out all wizard judges are even more psycho than the player character wizards are. I guess he's dead.

johns (GM): maybe, maybe not.

Brown Wind: His parens probably won't even kill him.

Proclus of Rome: Congratulations on killing a good and caring parens.

johns (GM): his parens is dead i think

Proclus of Rome: He probably doesn't have one, he's pretty old

johns (GM): cause holy magi don't do final twilight

Plutonis: who's the other judge

Archibald of Guernicus: It's DFD

Proclus of Rome: They do.

They go straight to heaven.

Archibald of Guernicus: Well. He can go to heaven then.

Isn't that a good thing, Proclus?

Proclus of Rome: No, because it makes us all murderers.

Archibald of Guernicus: Hurr, denying this man the embrace of his God for all eternity is a bad thing.

Er, good thing

Milo of Guernicus: "The Tribunal wishes to thank Jadwiga and Brown Wind for their time, service, and impartiality."

Archibald of Guernicus: The real danger is he might start radiating divine qi and perform kung fu moves on us

devil's fav demon: maybe don't admit to a high crime and then try to use "maybe it shouldnt be a crime" as your defense, baka

Shauncat (GM): The best defense is not getting caught.

Archibald of Guernicus: he probably thought it would make the judges more partial to his cause

lmao.

Milo of Guernicus: "Fabius has brought another issue before the tribunal, this is a more political than legal issue."

Plutonis: it honestly did

again I'd not march him if it was up to me

Milo of Guernicus: ill be honest. this guy's deal, as written, seemed a lot shakier once dys started poking holes in it

Proclus of Rome: It is up to you.

Milo of Guernicus: Ars Magica: Your weapon is choice

Shauncat (GM): Vardian's Tomb itself was once an unofficial covenant bypassing tribunal authority

Milo of Guernicus: 300 years ago

Shauncat (GM): My does the time fly

Plutonis: there were deffo no scrying evidence in any case

Milo of Guernicus: no one thought to ask fabius point blank if he scried

Proclus of Rome: Can't confess if they never ask you.

devil's fav demon: fabius "yes definitely. everyone should be doing it."

Archibald of Guernicus: lmao

I thought that he surely can't be that stupid but he probably was. Damnit.

Milo of Guernicus: Okay. I'll say that in the event of a dispute between the judges, Milo is here to act as a tiebreaking vote.

And he votes for march.

Proclus of Rome: Actually the vote WOULD be up to the Praeco.

Milo of Guernicus: Too bad we have no Praeco...

yet

(From Proclus of Rome): Also he'd vote to March.

Milo of Guernicus: oh but what's this? the Praeco issue is on the docket

devil's fav demon: lol

johns (GM): Ok, so that concludes the trial. I'm not sure how we would like to handle the issue of the Canons, argue it like a court case or try the wheeling and dealing schtick?

It's Shauncat's char who is most invested in this I think.

sick tunes

Proclus of Rome: What's the issue of the canons?

johns (GM): Fabius wants them entered into the Order of Hermes, even though they don't have the Gift.

He can attest to their ability to perform supernatural deeds, and can call Archibald as witness to it.

Proclus of Rome: It doesn't seem like it requires a court case, to me.

Hypatia of Athens: Hypatia was interested, but since she doesn't vote, she probably shouldn't testify on this matter either

johns (GM): hypatia already talked to Aurora of Harco (boy reporter) and knows where they stand on the issue

Anthemia Mercere: Yeah

No muggles without Mercere blood

Archibald of Guernicus: Which side is which

okay

Is Vardian's Tomb invested in them being inducted? I have no strong feelings either way on it.

Proclus of Rome: I think they should be.

It's clear that there are certain elements that holy magic needs to be protected from.

Anthemia Mercere: There are bastard redcaps, which is the sort of antics the Goliards get up to.

Proclus of Rome: Woah.

Sansaron is voting?

Anthemia Mercere: I defer to Procius's testimony in this matter.

devil's fav demon: I don't have a magus in the tomb rn so it's up to you.

johns (GM): Harco, Literatus, and the Tremere are all vocally against this

the sansarron token is a stand-in for Mt. Etna covenant

cause I haven't given them a coat of arms yet

Archibald of Guernicus: Is Proclus speaking openly for it on behalf of the covenant?

Proclus of Rome: Yeah I am.

It's just the right thing to do.

johns (GM): The Tremere and Literatus both employ nonGifted companions with special powers and don't want to extend hermetic rights to them

Endrite: Also there's Severin's covenant, but I doubt he's been confirmed as having a legal covenant.

johns (GM): Nope, it'd have to be voted on first

Archibald of Guernicus: That's a good argument. However, Tremere suck.

Celeste: People like me don't deserve those rights!

johns (GM): Right

Archibald of Guernicus: That's a good point

johns (GM): So what arguments can you make to the 4 undecided covenants to make them support you

Given what you know about their layout, house culture and so on

Anthemia Mercere: My interest in the matter is diminished now that Fabius is getting marched for something unrelated to the canons.

Proclus of Rome: ADD Mercere.

Well, how does everyone else feel?

johns (GM): If Vardian's tomb doesn't want to commit to this then we can call it dead in the water

Proclus of Rome: AFK a sec.

johns (GM): Lavinia abstains

Zita of Mercere: "I'm siding with my house, you're on your own here, sorry. Can't afford to ruffle feathers here."

johns (GM): Jorn, Archibald, what say ye

Anthemia Mercere: I think making a stand against Harco might be a bad idea

Jørn of Merinita: Jorn abstains

johns (GM): Archibald?

Archibald of Guernicus: I can see the point raised against it

I'm abstaining, until I see a good argument either way, since I'm not personally invested in the issue

johns (GM): Proclus stands alone.

Archibald of Guernicus: this is the saddest vote

The entire order floods into the NO side

johns (GM): I think it's fair to say the issue is dead

Proclus of Rome: It's clear that we should support the canons.

johns (GM): much like fabius! ho ho

Anthemia Mercere: I want to support them but I can't make the case to give them the rights of Magi

Archibald of Guernicus: People coming in from all around, surprise attendees jumping in just to say no. Prudenzio shows up just to slam his vote down.

Anthemia Mercere: Which seems to be the dealbreaker here

Proclus of Rome: Not only do they have a unique and powerful magic, it would make it easier to bring other magical traditions into the Order of Hermes in the future.

I mean, isn't that what Guernicus is all about, Archibald?

Archibald of Guernicus: The point of contention is the ungifted part, really.

It raises a worrying thought that.. what if anyone could join the order...

Anyone...

Beardbeard (GM): the point of contention is house tremere

Proclus of Rome: You've been around the block enough to know that magic comes from all kinds of places.

Yes.

You should also vote against the Tremere, because they're tyrants.

devil's fav demon: prudenzio would probably vote with proclus if he were here and hadn't betrayed everyone to woo a fairy queen

johns (GM): lets recruit an army of ungifted allies and get their votes in tribunal

Aristide of Tremere: aristide wakes up from his hangover just in time for hte session to already be over

johns (GM): wait, that doesn't work in this tribunal cause it's 1 covernant 1 vote. whoops

devil's fav demon: lol

Archibald of Guernicus: "Ye've swayed me, Proclus. I back Vardian's Tomb in this."

"Ye make a sound argument."

Aristide of Tremere: is there something for me to vote on

Proclus of Rome: You mean me, not Vardian's tomb.

johns (GM): whether or not we're going to kill aristide

Proclus of Rome: So far it's mostly "No" but I think we can "get to yes" as they say.

Archibald of Guernicus: Well that can't be right. There's people on the NO side

Anthemia Mercere: I'll change to abstain, not yes

Proclus of Rome: Good, good.

Aristide of Tremere: aristide stumbles into the voting chamber

"What are we voting on?"

devil's fav demon: you missed someone getting Marched.

well, sentenced.

to that.

Anthemia Mercere: Free vis for Tremere, you should vote yes

Lavinia of Jerbiton: "The issue is do we want the 3 ungifted canons of Bishop Savelli to be in the order. First we as a covenant must agree on it, then we'll have to convince others to vote for it."

Aristide of Tremere: dys has told me the fair, debated punishment of the judges

Proclus of Rome: "Whether Bishop Savelli's Holy Magi should be sponsored for membership in the Order of Hermes."

Lavinia of Jerbiton: "They are not Magi nor Wizards, I remind you, a title only appropriate for those with the gift."

Aristide of Tremere: "Aren't they ungifted?"

Proclus of Rome: "Yes."

Aristide of Tremere: "Then there's no reason for them to join the order.

Proclus of Rome: AKA Archibald murdering a guy in an attempt to extract a fine.

Anthemia Mercere: The next guy will just bribe Archibald and get it over with

Archibald of Guernicus: "Part of the debate is that other houses make use of ungifted but talented individuals, with unique schools of magic, and this would prevent their exploitation."

Proclus of Rome: "Leaving magic outside of the Hermetic conception outside the Order of Hermes' control is only going to lead to more challenges to the authority of the Code of Hermes."

devil's fav demon: He didn't even get the fine.

Lavinia of Jerbiton: "Alas, we seem to be deadlocked. We suffer without the decisive leadership of our archon."

Archibald of Guernicus: "A tragic loss. He was a good man."

Proclus of Rome: Archonthinker.

"What a shame."

Aristide of Tremere: "Frankly, the Order should expel all ungifted peoples."

Archibald of Guernicus: "We suffer without a head of the covenant to guide us."

devil's fav demon: back to the case, we've got to make headway

Lavinia of Jerbiton: "Perhaps if a new archon were named we could settle this issue amicably.."

Proclus of Rome: "Would you mind telling Harco that?"

Aristide of Tremere: the new archon should be decided based on who has the closest name

"Who?"

Proclus of Rome: ""House Harco."

Lavinia of Jerbiton: "House Mercere, Proclus."

Anthemia Mercere: "It seems that a mechanism should exist to recognize supernatural allies, not just vassals."

Lavinia of Jerbiton: "Harco is the Domus Magnus."

Aristide of Tremere: "If they have a representative here, I'll tell it to their face."

Proclus of Rome: "Right."

Lavinia of Jerbiton points to Aurora

Proclus of Rome: "Make sure to tell them what house you are from."

"But not which covenant."

Aristide of Tremere: "Just because they can trace their bloodline to the founder does not make them magi."

Archibald of Guernicus: "Mmm, I feel each of us, including myself, have bias that may make our position as archon disputable."

Aristide of Tremere: "It's disgusting that they're afforded the same rights as a true magus."

Lavinia of Jerbiton: "Bloodlines are overrated, and frankly, biased in favor of heterosexuals."

Proclus of Rome: "Alright, I think Luctatio can be swayed easily."

Zita of Mercere: "There is absolutely nothing wrong with getting status from your bloodline."

Anthemia Mercere stays silent in order to expediate Aristide telling Aurora that.

Lavinia of Jerbiton: agreed, so long as that bloodline is the Julio-Claudian dynasty

Zita of Mercere: "The order would fall apart without redcaps, any magus who knows anything knows that."

Proclus of Rome: "Arguing that people with magical powers shouldn't be bossed around by the Tremere of all people is a compelling argument."

Lavinia of Jerbiton: actually given that most of them were mopes it's really just the Gens Julii

Aristide of Tremere: "Are you insulting me, Proclus?"

Proclus of Rome: "The Mount Etna covenant might be convinced with a similar argument, that precious magical knowledge will be gained by accepting these holy magi."

"It's just a fact that House Tytalus is frequently at odds with House Tremere."

Zita of Mercere: "I don't think it'll go over well at Harco, though, Proclus. Redcaps aren't at any risk from Tremere plotting."

"I can put in a good word if you really want, don't know how it'll go though."

Proclus of Rome: "Not now, but maybe in the future."

Aristide of Tremere: I shake my head. "The Order is for magi only. Take these churchmen in, and you open the gates for every forest hermit that can call down rain."

Anthemia Mercere: "Having a monopoly on rainmakers could prove profitable."

Aristide of Tremere: "The separation between magi and hedge wizards is very important."

Proclus of Rome: "They all belong in the Order of Hermes."

Aristide of Tremere: "Tell me, would you really count that dollmaker we have back home as a magus?"

Proclus of Rome: "Which should control all magic in the world."

Archibald of Guernicus: "With some exception. Nae infernalism, no matter what."

Aristide of Tremere: "It's not about control, it's a society for protection and promotion of the Hermetic way."

"Pollute that tradition, and we have nothing."

Proclus of Rome: "Leaving these 'hedge wizards' independent runs the risk that they develop superior and uncontrolled magic that the Order of Hermes cannot defeat."

Lavinia of Jerbiton giggles

Aristide of Tremere: I snort. "Warn me about their superior magic when they're able to form their own order."

Lavinia of Jerbiton: next week: the hedge magicians form their own order

devil's fav demon: lol

Proclus of Rome: "I need hardly remind you that the Order of Hermes has no protection against the supreme power of God."

Lavinia of Jerbiton: hell

Archibald of Guernicus: "Wasn't there one wiped out last century?"

Lavinia of Jerbiton: that gives me a really good idea for an existing story hook

Proclus of Rome: "They have formed their own order, it's called the Catholic Church."

Aristide of Tremere: "Then these clergy can hold their loyalty to the church."

Lavinia of Jerbiton: "So I've heard, Archibald."

Proclus of Rome: "If we can't work with them then we have surely sealed our own fates."

Aristide of Tremere: "Every man only has room in his heart for one ultimate loyalty. If you must allow these cretins in, then make them swear loyalty to the Order over God."

Anthemia Mercere: "No!"

Proclus of Rome: "Are you insane?"

devil's fav demon: you said that out loud?

lol

Lavinia of Jerbiton: worse, he's tremere

Archibald of Guernicus smirks paganishly

Proclus of Rome: "Would you proclaim man's superiority to God?"

Aristide of Tremere: "Am I? To court two loyalties is the greatest atrocity."

Lavinia of Jerbiton: "The devout may still render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's."

Aristide of Tremere: "They're no different from court wizards dancing before a king."

Proclus of Rome: If only someone knew a spell that amplified a target's voice...

Brown Wind snorts wine and enters a coughing fit

Aristide of Tremere: "I proclaim loyalty to nothing but the Order."

Archibald of Guernicus: "Aye sure ye do."

Anthemia Mercere: "And honor thy father, who bears from Mercere."

Proclus of Rome: "Then surely you have demanded your voting sigil from your parens."

Anthemia Mercere: in response to Lavinia

Aristide of Tremere: whats a voting sigil

Proclus of Rome: Woooooow.

Archibald of Guernicus: "Okay I'm convinced. This is a bloody Tremere scheme."

Lavinia of Jerbiton: they're sorta irrelevant in the roman tribunal

unless we want to enforce the need for them within Vardian's Tomb internal voting

Anthemia Mercere: He's trying to turn the redcaps into mailcucs

Lavinia of Jerbiton: HMM....

Anthemia Mercere: Let's destroy Tremere

Lavinia of Jerbiton: We owe it to House Tremere to respect their traditions by not letting Aristide vote until he gets his sigil.

Proclus of Rome: I think just telling Luctatio in on this conversation would be enough to sway them.

Aristide of Tremere: i think i should have my sigil

Archibald of Guernicus: I sigh "However, the thought that any mundane can learn a trick and have equal status within the order is troubling. Wouldn't this lead to a diminished trust and loss of status for House Ex Misc?"

Aristide of Tremere: unless theres some really silly requirement for it

Lavinia of Jerbiton: You have to beat your hermetic parens in Certamen to get your sigil, in house tremere

Aristide of Tremere: oh no. not loss of stats for house ex misc

Anthemia Mercere: Let's go talk to Lucatio

Lavinia of Jerbiton: It took Rope kid's guy like 40 years post gauntlet to do it

Archibald of Guernicus: Wasnt he also the worlds most insanely strong duelist

Lavinia of Jerbiton: yea

Aristide of Tremere: "I... I'm working on the sigil."

Archibald of Guernicus: to the point that hes now head of house tremere in this setting

Proclus of Rome: "Well, that settles it."

Klybutes of Tytalus: "Salvate Vardian's Tomb."

Proclus of Rome: "Clearly you have no say on the decision of Vardian's Tomb on this or any other tribunal."

Klybutes of Tytalus: "I have heard the news of my filius' passing with great sadness, but also great joy, that he challenged such a worthy foe to the very end."

Proclus of Rome: "Salve."

Klybutes of Tytalus: "I'm sure his sodales are honoring his memory in an appropriate way.. ?"

Proclus of Rome: How is his old covenant voting?

Jørn of Merinita: Jorn is convinced

Klybutes of Tytalus: how is Luctatio voting?

he's dodging that question til you answer his stuff about Aristocritus

Proclus of Rome: No I mean Fabius'.

Rellantali.

Klybutes of Tytalus: lol oops

well they liked Fabius so they'll respect his judgement

Proclus of Rome: Ok that's good.

Aristide of Tremere: vardians tomb should respect the judgement of their most powerful tremere magus

Proclus of Rome: Well we'd like to but you can't vote.

Oh well!

Aristide of Tremere: im gonna beat up my master and take my sigil and his

Proclus of Rome: "I believe Fabius would have wanted us to continue his work."

"Especially in light of our opposition."

Does anyone have any ideas on how we can form an unbreakable majority here?

We'd need 3 more.

devil's fav demon: good job making a martyr of a cause and then working towards it for him

Jørn of Merinita: "I can ensure that deliveries continue to covenants that vote in our favor, if Harco proves spiteful."

Archibald of Guernicus: "While I disagree with how it was voiced, one things comes tae mind."

"Aren't these people direct subordinates of the bishop?"

Anthemia Mercere: Wrong chraacter

Archibald of Guernicus: "They cannot continue that, as magi."

Anthemia Mercere: "I can ensure that deliveries continue to covenants that vote in our favor, if Harco proves spiteful."

Proclus of Rome: "I don't see why they couldn't."

Archibald of Guernicus: "The order must seperate itself, whenever it can, from the affairs of the mundane, or risk havoc and reprisal from the whims of those who feel our order has harmed them."

Proclus of Rome: "After all, magi can't fully ignore the demands of mundane lords."

Lavinia of Jerbiton: "I think the Bishop would like us a lot if we succeed here.. It could be useful to have a Bishop's favor."

Anthemia Mercere: "Ask Verdi how separate they are from their mundane clients."

Proclus of Rome: "We are privileged to have no lord, but not every covenant is as lucky."

devil's fav demon: If only you guys were lucky enough to be owed favors.

Proclus of Rome: "They need to pay tax and provide levies just like everyone else."

Archibald of Guernicus: "If they take actions with these powers, in the mundane world, at his behest..."

Proclus of Rome: Wow can you imagine, using magic for mundane gain?

Proclus of Rome makes the Enki face.

Aristide of Tremere: "With a more unified Order, free of the ungifted, perhaps we would be able to ensure that more covenants are free of a lord."

Archibald of Guernicus: "Ye're really pushing us to voting yes, with every sentence ye speak."

Proclus of Rome: "In any case, they are already bound to Bishop Savelli."

"They can already perform magic at his request."

Anthemia Mercere: "If Aristide dislikes Redcaps that much, I will go let Harco know what to do with his mail."

Lavinia of Jerbiton: "They already have, in the past"

Archibald of Guernicus: "Aye. But outwith the order, and without any risk to us. They're non-hermetic, and any reprisals their actions may bring fall solely on them and the bishop."

"Acceptance intae the order would mean an end to what they do, and punishment for not complying. I don't see them complying."

"Their loyalty is tae the bishop and the church first and foremost."

Lavinia of Jerbiton: "If Archibald puts it that way, I can't help but agree."

Aristide of Tremere: "As I said, it's not different from court wizardry."

Proclus of Rome: "All good Christians are loyal to the Church anyway."

Aristide of Tremere: "Men who play at multiple loyalties will inevitably be forced to choose one."

Lavinia of Jerbiton: "If they wish to be court wizards, they are safer outside the Order than in it."

Anthemia Mercere: "Court wizards work for material gain. Our reward waits in Heaven."

Lavinia of Jerbiton: "Of course I don't say they are materialists, many in the Augustan order were idealists after all."

Proclus of Rome: "Don't forget, having Holy Magi in the Order would mean having access to their secrets."

"Potentially reducing or even eliminating the penalty for casting spells in a Dominon Aura."

Lavinia of Jerbiton: "Actually, putting them in the Order gives their secrets more protection."

Aristide of Tremere: "Men should seek to bring Heaven's bliss down here."

Proclus of Rome: "I'm sure they'd share."

Lavinia of Jerbiton: "Can you say that of all the hedge magicians this vote would let in, though?"

Aristide of Tremere: "Every simple folk witch, suddenly laying valid claim to a membership in the Order."

"Think of the chaos it would cause."

Proclus of Rome: "Very little, since they would still be required to join a covenant."

Aristide of Tremere: "I'm certain Ex Misc would be happy to have the mongrels bolstering their numbers."

oh he said house

oh

er

covenant

"They would simply make their own if no civilized people welcomed them."

Proclus of Rome: We all make that mistake at one point or another.

Lavinia of Jerbiton: "Other tribunals have less strict rules about creating their own covenants."

Proclus of Rome: "That doesn't seem relevant, since they would only be accepted as magi in the Roman Tribunal."

Aristide of Tremere: "It would set a precedent."

Lavinia of Jerbiton: "A gauntleted Magus is gauntleted everywhere, not to a particular tribunal."

Aristide of Tremere: "Other tribunals would no doubt take note. Depending on the results, we would either become mockeries or they would adopt similar ideas."

Proclus of Rome: "I don't see why. After all, the Normandy tribunal's precedent of total chaos hasn't created a precedent here."

Aristide of Tremere: "We should take no chances here."

Lavinia of Jerbiton: lets settle this with certamen

Anthemia Mercere: I think my course is clear: convert ungifted supernaturals to Christianty to help the Bishop create a competitor to the Order.

Aristide of Tremere: aristide challenges every covenant magus who disagrees with him to certamen

Proclus of Rome: Ok, I challenge you to Certamen, Lavinia.

devil's fav demon: ohhh shit

Lavinia of Jerbiton: sounds like you already have a challenge pending

Proclus of Rome: You can't vote on this, though, so I don't see how you have standing.

Aristide of Tremere: my challenge is proclus is gay

Lavinia of Jerbiton: "Proclus wishes to use Certamen bullying to his advantage, then to bring in more people to the order who cannot fight Certamen."

devil's fav demon: don't you remember the last time you were involved in certamen, proclus? oh wait.

Archibald of Guernicus: Incredible. You automatically pas

Lavinia of Jerbiton: "I think this lays clear his real agenda."

Aristide of Tremere: i struggle with this new information

Anthemia Mercere: Me and Zita are no longer in the vote boxes, so that has been accounted for

Aristide of Tremere: i consider supporting proclus

Proclus of Rome: "I would think you would be more sympathetic to non-Hermetic magi."

Lavinia of Jerbiton: "They are not Magi, as they are not gifted."

Aristide of Tremere: "It's as she says."

Proclus of Rome: "A distinction that seems to have little meaning."

Lavinia of Jerbiton: "To open the door to them is to open the door to every court wizard, every charlatan haruspex, every dowser, fortune teller, and charm maker."

Aristide of Tremere: if you think about it, it opens the door for giraldo to become a full fledged magus

Archibald of Guernicus: "There is nothing ultimately preventing us from studying these techniques without full admittance. The status they gain is far more than what we gain. In pragmatic terms, we shouldn't allow them in."

Aristide of Tremere: hmm

Lavinia of Jerbiton: "Shall we inform Count di Capocci that his court will be joining our order with full rights and access to the Parma, then?"

Anthemia Mercere: How would they learn the parma without the gift?

Lavinia of Jerbiton: "And, of course, a share of the vis, if we're being fair."

Aristide of Tremere: "Let's not forget the folk witch who brings us our vis. She would be thrilled to know that she no longer serves us."

Proclus of Rome: "The protection they gain will allow their teachings to be protected and shared with the entire Order, not just subjugated to whatever covenant manages to overpower them first."

devil's fav demon: we just went over how they could learn the parma without the gift a few hours ago iirc

Proclus of Rome: "She trades her vis to us, it is a fair exchange."

Aristide of Tremere: "She might get dangerous ideas if she realizes she has a rightful claim to membership."

Lavinia of Jerbiton: should I move archibald to the "no" box

Archibald of Guernicus: He's wavering

Anthemia Mercere: Well if they can get ungifted parma, why doesn't Zita have it?

Lavinia of Jerbiton: they can't get parma

Anthemia Mercere: Ok then

Proclus of Rome: Yeah.

devil's fav demon: ok.

Archibald of Guernicus: You can't learn parma without the gift

devil's fav demon: Oh yeah.

Proclus of Rome: You need the Gift to do it.

Lavinia of Jerbiton: but if there were a gentle gifted guy somewhere in the court they could learn it now

Proclus of Rome: Yep.

Archibald of Guernicus: Well, they would be gifted, and deserve to be in the order

Aristide of Tremere: how

oh you mean if one of them is gentle gift

Anthemia Mercere: If there's a gentle gifted guy in the court he'd be eligible to be gauntleted in Ex Misc anyway

Lavinia of Jerbiton: yeah and then we'd be gauntleting a full fledged court wizard!!

think mcfly

Archibald of Guernicus: Just kill his lord, duh

Anthemia Mercere: On no, not a virgillian sorcerer in Jerbiton

Lavinia of Jerbiton: what court wizardry have I ever done!!

Aristide of Tremere: you court men irl lfmoa

Lavinia of Jerbiton: bwahaha

Proclus of Rome: "If anything membership in the Order of Hermes would discourage court wizardry."

"Since they would have the full protection and support of a covenant and wouldn't need to sell their skills to a lord."

Aristide of Tremere: "Service as a church official is court wizardry as well. They would have to renounce their positions."

Anthemia Mercere: If Ex Misc takes in Damhadh-Duidsan infernalists I don't see what's so bad about court wizards

Lavinia of Jerbiton: "And when the Lords of Men start seeing their advisors and astrologers leaving en masse to an order that recognizes no Lords, what happens then?"

"My position here is clear. I say we call for a vote now. If there is no majority either way then our covenant should abstain from voting on this issue in tribunal."

Aristide of Tremere: give aristide a vote

rub coal dust on a rock and say its his sigil

Lavinia of Jerbiton: "The results would have no bearing on my sodales' individual efforts to secure other yes or no votes in the tribunal."

Archibald of Guernicus: "I believe we should select a new archon, or some manner of leadership, to aid things like this. We lost someone precious, and the loss of him diminishes our co-operation."

Proclus of Rome: You have a sigil it just resides with your parens, who uses it to vote on your behalf.

Jørn of Merinita looks down dejectedly, looks like he won't be apprenticing any dwarves or gnomes any time soon.

Aristide of Tremere: if he dies do i get it

Lavinia of Jerbiton: why apprentice a faerie when you can bind them as your familiar and make them your slave

Proclus of Rome: Faeries is probably taking things too far.

Lavinia of Jerbiton: i think if he dies before you earn it you get it but get looked down on in the house

Jørn of Merinita: I haven't learned that mystery yet

Proclus of Rome: I THINK they can will it to someone else if they want.

I'm not sure though.

Lavinia of Jerbiton: Its a damn slippery slope proclus.

Proclus of Rome: It's your house.

Lavinia of Jerbiton: first canons, then crystal gazers, next faeries.

Aristide of Tremere: if the vote passes lets spitefully stretch it to the most extreme definitions and tell proclus its all elgal

Lavinia of Jerbiton: Sir Oak is now part of the order of hermes

Aristide of Tremere: sir oak is the archon

Proclus of Rome: "Archibald, you've clearly seen a case of what happens when magical traditions exist outside the Order of Hermes."

Aristide of Tremere: wait a minute

Proclus of Rome: "They attract Gifted individuals."

Jørn of Merinita: Faerie familiars is an inner mysetry, I can't learn it without finding a mystagogue ICly

Aristide of Tremere: two of the undecideds are redcaps

what the

Proclus of Rome: Redcaps traditionally don't vote, though they have the right to.

Archibald of Guernicus: Yeah

Lavinia of Jerbiton: this isn't a tribunal vote though

Archibald of Guernicus: Harco is voting anyway

Lavinia of Jerbiton: it's an internal vardian's tomb vote

and they're part of our council as gauntleted wizards

Proclus of Rome: Hey man, I'm not the Redcap not voting.

Archibald of Guernicus: The redcaps are basically abstaining because their own house is voting no

Jørn of Merinita: Yeah

Proclus of Rome: Also because they have the same DANG players as magi who are voting!

Anthemia Mercere: Yeah

Lavinia of Jerbiton: gahahaha

this is why sir oak should be allowed to vote

Anthemia Mercere: Agreed

Archibald of Guernicus: I voted with zita and archibald at the same time once before and regret it

So she's abstaining. She doesn't give a hoot, she's wandering off to do other stuff

Anthemia Mercere: Let's induct the heron cats as magi

Lavinia of Jerbiton: oooh

Let us.

hey Hafl

we're kinda deadlocked here

Hafl T.: what's going on?

Aristide of Tremere: why would mercere vote no on this

Lavinia of Jerbiton: Do we support the 3 Canons' quest to become members of the Order, despite having no gift?

Anthemia Mercere: We could use Beatrice as a tiebreaker

Archibald of Guernicus: We're debating whether or not we should back a bunch of ungifted canons into the order

Lavinia of Jerbiton: Aurora doesn't like hedge wizards

Beatrice Orsini : what are their arguments?

Lavinia of Jerbiton: they can cast divine effects using ceremony

Anthemia Mercere: Anthemia wanted to bring the Cantores in as well

Archibald of Guernicus: Arguments against: itll let anyone in, it gives them rights they shouldnt have, itll lead to more cases of members of the order interfering with mundanes

Aristide of Tremere: aristide is voting no but proclus is pointing ang laughing at him because he cant legally vote

Beatrice Orsini : will they subject themselves to hermetic laws as well as canon laws?

Archibald of Guernicus: arguments for: tremere is voting against

Proclus of Rome: Also, and this might not be relevant, Archibald killed the person trying to push their acceptance to the Order.

Archibald of Guernicus tugs collar

Lavinia of Jerbiton: we never specified aristide couldn't vote in council

unless we want to specify it right now

Archibald of Guernicus: Will Fabius be listed in my kill count, though?

Proclus of Rome: Yes, but all magi are subject to mundane laws already.

devil's fav demon: No, because fabius' sodales will kill him.

Lavinia of Jerbiton: no, because there's still time for another magus to killsnipe

assuming fabius does die

Anthemia Mercere: Anthemia gets away with Holy Music as women can't be ordained, so she technically only has one loyalty.

Proclus of Rome: Women can be nuns.

Anthemia Mercere: Oh yeah, nuns

Nuns aren't appropriate for PCs though

Since they can't be mendicants

Proclus of Rome: ALSO we are still subject to canon law and we could be punished for being heretics or what have you.

The only reason why we aren't is because there is no proof that we are.

And no one is interested in prosecuting us.

Lavinia of Jerbiton: at least until we offend the bishop

Proclus of Rome: Right.

Anthemia Mercere: Oooh

Proclus of Rome: Or any bishop, really.

Aristide of Tremere: thats silly. why would anyone in vardians tomb do anything to offend the church

or go against its will

Proclus of Rome: OR, for example, an order of holy knights.

Archibald of Guernicus: Rest in peace, Masini

Lavinia of Jerbiton: q_q

Archibald of Guernicus: You died as you lived. Painfully.

Beatrice Orsini : if they're prepared to follow hermetic law, i am inclined to vote for it. they can do divine miracles, so they have some sort of relevance to the order. and if they join ex misc, they'll fit right in. if it's that controversial, they can be probationary members until the next tribunal

Aristide of Tremere: theyre still gonna be church officials

Anthemia Mercere: You also spent a season helping Anthemia look for supporters for this exact cause.

Beatrice Orsini : yes

Lavinia of Jerbiton: oh well

Aristide of Tremere: its down to archibald

whats it gonna be

Archibald of Guernicus: Even if deadlocked, Anthemia can put a vote in for yes if she wants. Zita isn't voting at all here.

Lavinia of Jerbiton: "Let the record show, that when it came down to the vote that set the Order of Hermes on its path to destruction, where Lavinia of Jerbiton sat."

(From Proclus of Rome): Yeah, the wrong side!

Archibald of Guernicus: "Given the trial earlier, and the arguments both ways, while I feel this path has its flaws I must choose it."

"My apologies, Proclus. Ye made a good case."

Aristide of Tremere: "Excellent, it's settled. An outright no would be better, but abstaining is possibly a wise choice.

"

Lavinia of Jerbiton: ohh shit

what now

Archibald of Guernicus: Well now Anthemia votes the way she wants to, lets be honest

Proclus of Rome: "Are we allowing Aristide to vote now?"

Aristide of Tremere: i dont think anyone expects anthemia to vote

Archibald of Guernicus: She can, it's just an internal vote

Lavinia of Jerbiton: "He is a member of the order and on our council, and is due a vote."

Archibald of Guernicus: "He is a magus, though he lacks his sigil for tribunal, aye."

Lavinia of Jerbiton: alright anthemia

Archibald of Guernicus: "We aren't throwing down our sigils here are we?"

Lavinia of Jerbiton: the fate of the order hangs on your shoulders

Archibald of Guernicus: No pressure tho

Lavinia of Jerbiton: "My sigil has a bumblebee on it"

Proclus of Rome: "Fair enough, though that should be the next thing we decide."

Anthemia Mercere: Voting on an internal vote that determines a tribunal vote seems questionable

Archibald of Guernicus: It might be

Beatrice Orsini : "Isn't this a matter for the Grand Tribunal though?"

Anthemia Mercere: It's not a covenant affair

Proclus of Rome: Well it is and it isn't.

Archibald of Guernicus: Do you make a social faux pas in favour of a cause you support? Hell, that's more interesting and personal than these nerds.

Lavinia of Jerbiton: it might get there but for now it's just roman tribunal

Proclus of Rome: Also you spent a season on it, so you're entitled.

Anthemia Mercere: We could vote to elevate it to the grand tribunal

Beatrice Orsini : it has to be decided now since it's immediate matter, but grand tribunal could later reverse the decision

Proclus of Rome: We'd have to bring it up at a Grand Tribunal in the future.

Anthemia Mercere: Oh yeah, Beatrice, Fabius is already getting marched

Archibald of Guernicus: "Aye, it does seem something fit for the order at large. House Ex Misc extends far beyond Rome."

Beatrice Orsini : well, rip

Lavinia of Jerbiton: lol

Anthemia Mercere: For a matter unrelated to training ungifteds

Archibald of Guernicus: I didn't argue for him to be marched but boy

the judges we got

Anthemia Mercere: Well, it IS the Roman tribunal

Proclus of Rome: I think it's PRETTY clear that you did.

Anthemia Mercere: They're notably bloodthirsty

Archibald of Guernicus: I liked the long speech about how good a man he is, how hard he's tried, etc and then they end it with 'alright, so its the death penalty'

Lavinia of Jerbiton: im gonna say Luctatio votes yes if you agree to an undefinied favor at a later point

Aristide of Tremere: sasuga tytalus covenant

Beatrice Orsini : i love undefined favors

Anthemia Mercere: Me and Beatrice are both willing to pay the favor

Beatrice Orsini : yeah

Proclus of Rome: Is Enki calling in his favor over this?

Anthemia Mercere: And probably agreed to before Tribunal

Lavinia of Jerbiton: No

Proclus of Rome: Ok.

Archibald of Guernicus: Hell, who won't we sell ourselves to in order to [reads card] let a bunch of ungifted canons into the order

Lavinia of Jerbiton: Verdi isn't decided one way or another yet

Aristide of Tremere: interesting vote but lets get venator in on this

Lavinia of Jerbiton: Magvillus either but Milo is most partial to Archibald right now

Anthemia Mercere: Verdi could find this profitable

Aristide of Tremere: dys is gay

sircrocodile mumble?

whoops

i hate that key

fuck you logitech

goddamn piece of shit keyboard macro

Lavinia of Jerbiton: Etna has a well defined favor to ask: They need your help in matters opposing Verdi poaching their vis source and supplies

Proclus of Rome: The "call me a homo" button on the logitech keyboard is a real problem.

Anthemia Mercere: Right now, Verditius has a scheme where they can do one dealing with a mundane per year

Aristide of Tremere: i dont know what buttons its bound to

but it pastes two messages from 3 or 4 months ago

Anthemia Mercere: But if there were mundanes in the order, they could sell as many items to them as they could make.

Aristide of Tremere: and i dont know why

Lavinia of Jerbiton: dys is gay

shit it happened to me too

Anthemia Mercere: lol

Aristide of Tremere: it is nice to have a dys is gay button though

Proclus of Rome: "You should really consider who you are helping with this vote, Archibald."

Anthemia Mercere: I suppose we have to kill Kifaaya to get Etna on our side

Proclus of Rome: "A gang of Tremere slavers."

Anthemia Mercere: Oh well

Beatrice Orsini : i thought guernicus would love having more people to police

Aristide of Tremere: "Slavers?"

"You're insulting not only myself, but the great house of Tremere here."

Proclus of Rome: "Let's not beat around the bush, we've all heard they do it."

Lavinia of Jerbiton: quick, challenge him to a duel

Aristide of Tremere: "Tremere are no more slavers than Diedne were a house of Godloving Christians."

Archibald of Guernicus: I don't appreciate a button bound entirely to call me gay

Proclus of Rome: "They are voting against this to maintain their control over the many magical mundanes they exploit."

Archibald of Guernicus: Or how this even came about

Anthemia Mercere: "Slavery iis not always conducted with chains. As often, it is conducted with coin and contract."

Proclus of Rome: Ask logitech.

Aristide of Tremere: I snort. "Those mundanes aren't exploited. They provide a service and receive compensation."

"It's just as any lord and his serfs, though these serfs aren't giving up anything they need."

Anthemia Mercere: "Fair compensation? For sure, sodales."

Aristide of Tremere: "They should be happy that some Tytalus doesn't come along and truly bind them in chains."

Lavinia of Jerbiton: Assuming you agree to Etna's favor, then you need to convince either Verdi or Magvillus, AND break the internal deadlock

Proclus of Rome: AFK a sec.

Beatrice Orsini : "Aristide, imagine how mad cardinal Orsini would be if he ever knew canon joined the Order of Hermes."

Archibald of Guernicus: brb

Aristide of Tremere: "I believe he would be happy, as he could now pull some strings in the Order."

Anthemia Mercere: "If they fear Tytalus, then they are not acting at their full capacity to bargain."

Beatrice Orsini : "Killing his canons would no longer be considered interference if they swore to follow hermetic laws."

Anthemia Mercere: ""Only with full bargaining power can they be said to recieve fair wages."

Proclus of Rome: "Don't forget, that by doing this we forge a closer link with the Church."

"Always a benefit, in my opinion."

Anthemia Mercere nods

Beatrice Orsini : my opinion of christianity increased after i whipped myself last season

Proclus of Rome: Smart.

This makes you smart.

Anthemia Mercere: Mine increased after I learned that demons are real, strong, and not my friend.

Proclus of Rome: Demons are cool and i love summoning them

"They probably have some really strong anti-demon powers, Archibald."

Wow what the heck?

Lavinia of Jerbiton: how late do you all wanna go to resolve this

Anthemia Mercere: I don't mind a stalemate

Archibald of Guernicus: It's time for the real challenge. We accept that Vardian's Tomb is at a stalemate, and we have to go get the other covenants that are neutral to agree with us

Proclus of Rome: What's stopping you from voting?

Archibald of Guernicus: Hmm. Both persuasive sociopaths are on the No side. This could be dangerous.

Lavinia of Jerbiton: if vardian's tomb is statelemated the motion cannot pass

there are 11 covenants in this tribunal so 6 votes are needed

Sansarron is abstaining

Proclus of Rome: As per usual.

Anthemia Mercere: Okay I put myself on yes

Archibald of Guernicus: So we would need both Verdi and Magvillus

Well

That may put the motion dead in the water

Proclus of Rome: Wait I thought there were 10 covenants.

devil's fav demon: gayyy

Lavinia of Jerbiton: maybe i miscounted

oh

there are 10

Proclus of Rome: There are only 11 with Lycelleus.

Lavinia of Jerbiton: but that still means 6 for a majority

Proclus of Rome: Which isn't a real covenant.

Anthemia Mercere: If Harco strips me of Mercere status for this I'll probably stop being a PC, but that's the stakes.

Proclus of Rome: They can't.

I mean, I'm pretty sure.

Anthemia Mercere: Possibly not

Beatrice Orsini : they can't do it for an internal covenant vote, i think

even if it decides how the covenant votes

Anthemia Mercere: If it turns out they can't, then I could start taking in the canons as bastard redcops too

And maybe some court wizards

Lavinia of Jerbiton: hell yeah

Proclus of Rome: Nice.

Lavinia of Jerbiton: on an unrelated note I am defected to house tytalus

and joining another covenant

Proclus of Rome: "What do you say Archibald, will you convince Magvilius to help us?"

Archibald of Guernicus: Hell, these things happen

"I can't in good faith, Proclus. There's just too many dangers down this road to push for it so forcefully."

"Perhaps it would have better success at a Grand Tribunal, perhaps worse. It'll all depend on their decision, ultimately."

Proclus of Rome: "Do you not even feel a shred of remorse for what you did to Fabius?"

"Don't you yearn to free your heart from that sin?"

Aristide of Tremere: "It was the tribunal that decided Fabius's fate. Archibald presented only facts."

Lavinia of Jerbiton: are you suggesting you can atone for sin without the sacrement of confession

let's get 'im boys

Proclus of Rome: "Archibald is the one responsible for it in the first place."

You have to take it one step at a time with pagans.

Aristide of Tremere: "And he should feel good to be responsible for eliminating a threat to the Order."

Archibald of Guernicus: "I feel some regret at his sentence, it was harsher than I would have given. But I presented the facts, and made a case, and I stand by what I did. I won't risk a bigger problem in a hasty attempt tae cover for past actions."

Aristide of Tremere: archibalds sin begins to weigh on him with each word of praise from tremere

Proclus of Rome: Hmm.

Beatrice Orsini : what are the chances of radical option of making sansaron vote?

Proclus of Rome: Probably 0.

Sine they send no magi to Tribunals.

Archibald of Guernicus: It's over, the motion won't pass... oh my god, it's Severin with the steel chair,

Zayd: They sent a single mundane representative with no tokens

Beatrice Orsini : are we sure they even have any magi?

Proclus of Rome: No.

Aristide of Tremere: sansaron is already a covenant of ungifted hedge wizards

my god

Archibald of Guernicus: On the other hand, allowing ungifted into the order outside of those of Mercere's lineage - in honour of the founders - is definitely a terrible, terrible idea.

Zayd: if archibald won't convince milo I can't see magvillus voting Yes

Archibald of Guernicus: Have some self-respect, guys. Jeez!

Aristide of Tremere: hell, allowing ungifted mercere into the order is a terrible idea

Anthemia Mercere: If only there was some sort of formalized debate game that wizards used to help decide these things.

Archibald of Guernicus stares at blood vial ominously

Proclus of Rome: "Archibald, you are making a terrible decision."

johns (GM): right

let's settle this with Disputatio, Mass Disputatio, Certamen, and Wizard's War

Proclus of Rome: "Think about what the future will hold if the Order of Hermes is set against the Church."

Anthemia Mercere: Verdi makes money under the table from mundanes and could make more if it was legitimate, but knowing that ICly is tricky

Aristide of Tremere: "Definitely much better than it currently holds."

"Especially if we choose to allow even more ungifted in."

Beatrice Orsini : they're verditius, doesn't everyone assume they're making money from mundanes?

Anthemia Mercere: Possibly

Proclus of Rome: They're entitled to do it anyway, as long as they don't sell permanent magical items.

Anthemia Mercere: Everyone seemed suprised that Kifaaya cared about that

Archibald of Guernicus: They do it openly, they have a set limit on how much they can sell to mundanes per year or something

johns (GM): barring anything dramatic im prepared to say the motion fails

Beatrice Orsini : i have an idea for a trade i could make with verdi

johns (GM): even with verdi you're still 1 vote short

Beatrice Orsini : well, that won't help then

Proclus of Rome: We'd still have a majority of votes, though.

johns (GM): you'd have 5 out of 11 votes

Archibald of Guernicus: It would imply that there's reason to bring it up again in future, at least

We have 7 years to see the ramifications of this vote

Anthemia Mercere: What would the deal cost us?

Proclus of Rome: We could lose the one chance we have to bring them into the Order of Hermes.

They might not be so agreeable 7 years from now.

Anthemia Mercere: Verdi, the covenant, is notoriously ruthless.

Beatrice Orsini : i was just thinking of doing some work for them. making items with merinita magic they can't use to sell

Proclus of Rome: They came of their own free will, after all.

Anthemia Mercere: The deal might not be worth it if they're not the tiebreaker

Beatrice Orsini : yeah, if they're not the tiebreaker, it's not worth it

but i have something they can't do they could use to make a profit

Proclus of Rome: What's the deal?

Beatrice Orsini : probably just giving them seasons of work

Proclus of Rome: Also, and I should hardly need to point this out, but bringing canons into the Order of Hermes will give you the opportunity to investigate them in your capacity a Quaesitor.

Beatrice Orsini : to make items enchanted with merinita-specific magic for them to sell

Archibald of Guernicus: Rip this motion

the mythical gavel bangs

Anthemia Mercere: RIP

johns (GM): Archibald went firmly into the "No" camp when I reminded him that Orsu would be allowed to join the order if this passed

Aristide of Tremere: goodbye canons

Proclus of Rome: lol

johns (GM): Fabius and the canons depart.

Archibald of Guernicus: I think even if I could investigate them, it would cause mundane problems to prosecute them in a hermetic court, since they're obviously tied to the church far more than the order

Aristide of Tremere: the dollmaker would be allowed in too

Archibald of Guernicus: The order doesnt need people half-assing it

Anthemia Mercere: Since the canons aren't actually in trouble I'll continue corresponding with them

Celeste: I would be allowed in, because I have an as yet unmanifested supernatural pwoer.

It's just opening the floodgates.

johns (GM): I thought of some minor issues in case we were going short but we've ended up going long, so I'll sum this last issue of mine real quick, then Ednrite should adjucate Severin's deal

Archibald of Guernicus: Yeah we really dodged an arrow here

Endrite: Well he's got two deals.

johns (GM): Mt. Etna is having a legal issue with Verdi poaching a vis source, it's tied up in a mix of old claims, mundane land rights, etc.

They'll trade you an Ignem Summa for you voting in their favor

Jørn of Merinita: Hooray

Aristide of Tremere: what does verdi offer us

for voting in their favor

Archibald of Guernicus slams down his sigil with enough force to crack the table

devil's fav demon: l mo

Jørn of Merinita: An ignem summa as well

johns (GM): Another Ignem summa

lol

Aristide of Tremere: hm

johns (GM): actually

Enki calls in his favor

Aristide of Tremere: ignem summa from bonisagi

or ignem summa from verdi

Archibald of Guernicus: oh shit

Aristide of Tremere: what if we

Jørn of Merinita: Nice

johns (GM): Enki expects you to vote in his favor.

Aristide of Tremere: accept the summa

and say yeah no problem

and then vote in verdis favor

Beatrice Orsini : that's wrong

Proclus of Rome: Then everyone would know that we're liars and cheats.

Archibald of Guernicus: They don't already?

Jørn of Merinita: Instead of just suspecting it

Beatrice Orsini : and something everyone would expect an orisini tremere to say

Aristide of Tremere: at least wed have our friends in verditius!

Proclus of Rome: When have we ever cheated anyone?

Archibald of Guernicus: This is annoying though. What did we owe Enki a favour over?

johns (GM): 1325: Was a participant in the tournament of Hugo di Capocci, as a guest of Torquato di Conti. Incapacitated Alberico III da Romano. The covenant asked him to hold off from killing Alenardo di Capocci. Enki regards this as meaning the covenant now owes him a favor.

Proclus of Rome: We got him to stop insanely murdering people at the tournament with his magic lances.

Archibald of Guernicus: Oh wtf, I like you Enki but come on. We should take the summa. We didnt even say to stop murdering everyone, we said can you not use your magical murderlance to kill one specific person

Aristide of Tremere: is anyone alive that was involved in that

Archibald of Guernicus: I was

Proclus? Was

Aristide of Tremere: alright

lets kill archibald and proclus

johns (GM): Yeah that was the same day you threw piss at Nunzio

Aristide of Tremere: then no one owes him a favor

Jørn of Merinita: I'm going to ask nVidia about the mystagogues in the Roman tribunal

Proclus of Rome: It was a good tournament all around.

Beatrice Orsini : I'll probably join Jorn as well since I'm already here.

johns (GM): okay shaun remind me about this later. basically Galafre and Invidia can induct you into different cults and i'm gonna make you pick one cause im a jerk

Proclus of Rome: Anyway, we're obligated by our agreement to vote with Enki.

Jørn of Merinita: Okay

Beatrice Orsini : rip Ignem Summa

Archibald of Guernicus: I don't think we ever promised him a favour so much as he insists we owe him

johns (GM): i still have to look up all the Merinita fluff though :mrnegative:

Jørn of Merinita: I'll say something on Steam or Discord

Proclus of Rome: To do otherwise would compromise our honor and trustworthiness.

Well, we did just ask him to do it for nothing.

So it makes sense that he'd assume a favor.

Jørn of Merinita: The fastest way to get through the Merinita fluff is to remember that Beatrice wants Glamours and I want Arcadian travel

Archibald of Guernicus: In that case, we will have to get the summa in a different way

johns (GM): The book is Ars Flambonis, L14 Q12

Archibald of Guernicus: Oh, right, I brought a magic item o

johns (GM): if it matters

Archibald of Guernicus spits out his drink

Archibald of Guernicus: Honour means nothing

Beatrice Orsini : it means everything

Jørn of Merinita: He will never get the ignem

johns (GM): im just grabbing book stats that boy rep made last campaign so i cant be accused of rigging things

Beatrice Orsini : last campaign had L20 summas

Proclus of Rome: Pretty fucked up that you'd say that after hounding an innocent man to his death to defend the honor of the Order of Hermes.

johns (GM): we have a L20 summa. it's on infernal lore.

Proclus of Rome: Take a look, it's in a book.

Beatrice Orsini : but i'm interested in fake infernal lore only

Archibald of Guernicus: Oh right. We brought a magic item to trade, here.

Well I did

johns (GM): what's the item

Aristide of Tremere: lets make a copy of the usmma

Archibald of Guernicus: It was in the thread

eyeglasses that have The Miner's Keen Eye in them

johns (GM): it got lost in all the discussion about regoing people gay

Aristide of Tremere: wow. is that one someone did to you ha ha ha ha

Beatrice Orsini : i'm making 110 levels of lab texts this season. 60 levels are for jorn, but i can throw in 50 levels

Archibald of Guernicus: 5 pawns of vis to make them, not sure how much we can get for that but they do have a very useful high level terram spell in them

I think we should shore up our library's weaknesses here, if we can

Proclus of Rome: Also welshing on a deal with Enki will earn us an enemy who loves creating deadly weapons and giving them to mundanes.

Archibald of Guernicus: Oh right. Yeah let's vote with Verdi.

Proclus of Rome: But going along with him here will clear our debt to him.

Archibald of Guernicus: I mean we should try and get an ignem summa in another way

johns (GM): hmm

Aristide of Tremere: wow. it would make us an enemy with [all verditius]

Archibald of Guernicus: We should tell Etna that we owe a favour, and cannnot help them, but we're willing to trade and make deals.

Aristide of Tremere: someone should play a verditius that makes swords that glow red or something

Archibald of Guernicus: We have lab texts, the eyeglasses, etc

Aristide of Tremere: and pull them out to sell to mundane lords

johns (GM): Exlieratus of Flambeau would be willing to trade a L10 Q10 Ingem Summa for the glasses and 2 pawns of Ignem vis

Beatrice Orsini : that's pretty good too

Aristide of Tremere: and then fake extreme surprise and say it glows red in the presence of someone from alexander the greats bloodline

Jørn of Merinita: That's a good deal

Archibald of Guernicus: How much are books worth in terms of vis? That seems expensive but I have no idea

Aristide of Tremere: and sell it for a million pounds to the lord

johns (GM): books generally worth more than vis

unless you're a super powerful magi who is beyond learning from books and ONLY needs vis

Proclus of Rome: It is also within your ability to make fakeass magic items, Aristide.

Aristide of Tremere: yeah but then its just a hobby

Proclus of Rome: You can still sell them to lords.

Archibald of Guernicus: Yeah, but can't we sell the eyeglasses for at least 10 pawns? That's 12 pawns for a L10 summa, I have no idea if we're being ripped off or not.

Proclus of Rome: Just in exchange for gifts.

Well, that's the thing with trade.

johns (GM): what's your Bargain skill

Proclus of Rome: You give away something you don't need for something you want.

Aristide of Tremere: its 7 pawns for a l10 summa actually

because your spending 7 pawns

Archibald of Guernicus: Well we could sell the eyeglasses for 10, iirc, there's rules about how much a magic item sells for

johns (GM): i thought the glasses took 3 pawns to make

Archibald of Guernicus: in verditius or w/e book

johns (GM): there's no set price for books though

Archibald of Guernicus: They're a level 24 item iirc

So that's 5 pawns isnt it

johns (GM): oh ok

in that case it's a 1:1 trade, the item for the L10 Q10 book

Archibald of Guernicus: Does anyone by chance have good bargain, or do we take it, sodales

Jørn of Merinita: Verditius charge a large markup but they charge it to mundanes who cna't make their own stuff

Aristide of Tremere: i know someone with points in bargain

Proclus of Rome: Non-Verditus magi can also sell magic items to mundanes.

Aristide of Tremere: his name starts with aristid

Archibald of Guernicus: How good is it, before you somehow make this worse

Jørn of Merinita: Well, you can theoretically do a lot of things

Aristide of Tremere: 6

Proclus of Rome: Oh that reminds me, I have another vote I'd like to propose before we break for the day.

Jørn of Merinita: Verditius have a support network for this specific thing

By support network I mean bloodthirsty cartel.

Archibald of Guernicus: Aristide can try and bargain with this flambeau then. We'll see if he'll throw in a bit of vis or a lab text. The glasses are good.

johns (GM): Comm + Bargain

Aristide of Tremere: alright

lets do this

johns (GM): your choice if you want to stress it or not

Aristide of Tremere: its aristides time to shine

rolling 1d10!+5

(

8

)

+5

=

13

johns (GM): Processing

thats equivalent to ease factor Easy

No change in the offer

Aristide of Tremere: i tried

Proclus of Rome: Really it should be opposed but I guess SOMEONE didn't bother to stat up every magus in the covenant.

I'm not naming names here.

Beatrice Orsini : unbelievable

it was me

i didn't stat any mages in the covenant

johns (GM): Oh, ok

rolling 1d10!+2+6

(

5

)

+2+6

=

13

There we go

Archibald of Guernicus: I statted one, and this is him

Proclus of Rome: Nice.

A tie!

Archibald of Guernicus: is that victory or failure. who knows

johns (GM): You've reached the fairest trade possible in both your eyes

Archibald of Guernicus: Amazing work, Aristide

What is Proclus going to bring up?

Proclus of Rome: Alright this is as good a time as any to propose the next motion for Vardian's Tomb.

We should restrict Aristide from voting on matters of import until he earns his voting sigil because he is quite selfish, destructive, and on grounds of his general moral turpitude.

Beatrice Orsini : i disagree

Archibald of Guernicus: Turpy tude

johns (GM): This is how democracy dies.

To the sound of thunderous hedge magi

Beatrice Orsini : democracy is greek

Archibald of Guernicus: Let's do this until we shut out everyone but the three older magi from voting

johns (GM): and in honor of our great archon we should keep it going

Aristide of Tremere: counterpoint: proclus is a hedge mage

johns (GM):  3  older magi?

Archibald of Guernicus: [hermetic OOOOHing]

Beatrice Orsini : venator, lavinia and proclus

Archibald of Guernicus: no, nO

Proclus of Rome: Sounds good to me.

johns (GM): ok, who wants to be my certamen bully whenever proclus wants to try and throw his weight around

Archibald of Guernicus: Venator doesnt need a vote because he already rules the covenant, he just does nothing when he isnt bossing people around

johns (GM): you also get a fresh arcane connection to proclus

lavinia opposes proclus' motion

Aristide of Tremere: hell. someones gotta do it

Archibald of Guernicus: Clear out the voting boxes and lets vote on whether Aristide gets to keep his human rights

Aristide of Tremere: i guess aristide will take this difficult task

Beatrice Orsini : you don't get rights just because you're a human. that's silly

Aristide of Tremere: alright but what if youre aristide

Beatrice Orsini : he exists to troll my family, so i'm ok with him

Proclus of Rome: Shouldn't it be the opposite?

Beatrice Orsini : i have black sheep

Aristide of Tremere: same

Proclus of Rome: Yes we deny Aristide voting rights or No we don't.

Jørn of Merinita: II'm not sure either of my characters vote

On this matter

Aristide of Tremere: "I'm a gifted, Hermetic member of this covenant. This is outrageous."

johns (GM): ok switched

Proclus of Rome: "You don't have a voting sigil, though."

"Should your parens visit, he is more than welcome to use your sigil on your behalf."

Aristide of Tremere: "I know you love circles, Proclus, but let's not argue in them."

Archibald of Guernicus: "Proclus, rather than this motion, would it not be better to settle on a method of governance, in wake of the loss of our archon."

Proclus of Rome: "Such an agreement would require a vote."

Aristide of Tremere: "I propose an agreement, Proclus. Suspend this motion and face me in certamen. The loser has no voting rights."

Archibald of Guernicus: Oh snap

devil's fav demon: lmao

Archibald of Guernicus: Tremere: Actually ,we should settle this in the sport I obsessively train for just to control the order

Proclus of Rome: What's the rule on spending confidence points in Certamen?

Unlimited?

devil's fav demon: Apparently.

johns (GM): based on your conf score i though

Archibald of Guernicus: That said, refusing a certamen challenge that isn't an illegal challenge means you automatically concede, so good luck.

Proclus of Rome: It is illegal to deprive me of my voting rights without my consent.

Aristide of Tremere: i dont know

lets ask the guernicus

Archibald of Guernicus: Your voting rights at tribunal, but internally, within the covenant? These are all just things we agree to.

Aristide of Tremere: note: legal or not refusing makes you a coward

johns (GM): before we get permanently sidetracked, do you accept the trade with exileratus, the vote for verdi's side in the upcoming issue?

Jørn of Merinita: You can't aruge that someone should give you their lunch money as a certamen challenge, you can only make a group of magi agree that maybe he should give you their lunch money

Archibald of Guernicus: This vote means nothing since Venator can fall into the room drunk, slam down a sigil, and we can't stop him

So, since internal rules don't matter and aren't hermetic rights

The challenge is legal

Proclus of Rome: He doesn't even need a sigil as far as I know.

johns (GM): okay I vote for a motion that certamen is not binding for our internal voting rights

all in favor

Jørn of Merinita: It's an internal vote

Aye

Beatrice Orsini : i'm in favor

Aristide of Tremere: i challenge you to certamen, if i win then certamen is a binding legal contract

Proclus of Rome: Agreed.

Archibald of Guernicus: Agreed

Though if Proclus declines, Aristide could raise it at tribu-

he could raise it now if he was petty enough

Beatrice Orsini : excellent

Archibald of Guernicus: hey everyone! this guy wont face me at certamen!

johns (GM): was archibald agreeing to the comment about certamen or to lavinia's proposal

Aristide of Tremere: are we still in a public area

Proclus of Rome: We should do the trade though.

Archibald of Guernicus: I was agreeing that certamen will not be used to determine how we run the covenant

Yes

Aristide of Tremere: i think we are

Archibald of Guernicus: we vote for verdi and do the trade

Proclus of Rome: Then go with Enki's vote.

johns (GM): zita or anthemia please join my motion to prevent internal certamen bullying

Aristide of Tremere: in a loud voice I say, "Ah, the great Proclus of Rome. A brave man when backed by his flunkies, but once a certamen challenge is issued he hides his face."

johns (GM): ty

motion passes

you cannot strip someone of their voting rights using certamen

Zita of Mercere: "You can't challenge a redcap to certamen anyway, so I'm fine. Ha ha."

johns (GM): I challenge Zita to certamen

Endrite: How much longer are we going for here?

johns (GM): id like to wrap this up asap

Aristide of Tremere: "Truly, this hedge wizard holds no respect for Hermetic tradition."

Archibald of Guernicus: Until you defeat Aristide at Certamen

Shauncat (GM): I brought up the matter of Merinita mysteries so I'm good

Archibald of Guernicus: Then cast a spell on him so that he forgets how to do certamen

Endrite: I mean we can handle this stuff next week, right?

johns (GM): zita cannot accept my certamen challenge so I win automatically

the terms of the challenge were that zita can never challenge me to certamen

Aristide of Tremere:  while sweating profusely  uhhh we can handle the certamen next week right

Archibald of Guernicus: She automatically wins, as challenging her at all was illegal

johns (GM): if we have enough stuff for next week

if not then we should end 1335

Aristide of Tremere: i forget how many seasons im behind on both pcs

Archibald of Guernicus: I can't think of anything much else I wanted to do.

Shauncat (GM): I'm done for the year

Aristide of Tremere: i want to face proclus in certamen

Shauncat (GM): I just have winter to assign on both characters

Endrite: Actually I'm not sure I can make it next week, but I do have to go soon.

Aristide of Tremere: unfortunately he is a coward

johns (GM): so severin

does he become praeco

Endrite: I've been here for 6 dang old hours.

johns (GM): i dont think he should get a recognize covenant

since it's just him

Aristide of Tremere: certamen challenge: if you decline this challenge your gay

Beatrice Orsini : a more powerful decline is already in effect

johns (GM): if I award adventure xp then lavinia gets it too right

20 adventure xp for all

Endrite: Yeah sure.

Zita of Mercere: Oh, wait, I was going to wander around and find someone in the order to marry and try and strike a deal with Harco to do the fertility magic ritual and have forcibly gifted kids. Thus giving Mercere more gifted magi and strengthening their position in the order.

Endrite: Smart.

devil's fav demon: lol

Aristide of Tremere: excellent

johns (GM): no no

devil's fav demon: great.

johns (GM): we'll say 9 though cause you did a lot of rping and made my day easier

Aristide of Tremere: a lot of raping

johns (GM): zita you are now arranged marriage to an ex misc hedge wizard who can't read latin

Beatrice Orsini : i'm taking adventure xp, since i was asked to come

Aristide of Tremere: wow. sounds like both proclus AND zitas problems have been solved

johns (GM): 8-)

Zita of Mercere: At least they're still gifted. Could you imagine what could have happened if we hadn't voted right?

johns (GM): we tricked hafl into getting involved

mwahaha

Beatrice Orsini : it's 12xp for me

i love my virtues

Zita of Mercere: Same

Aristide of Tremere: not same

devil's fav demon: i dont think celeste was officially here unless she was outside standing guard.

is it ok if my bjornaer is inducted into a couple mysteries

Zita of Mercere: She isn't a magus, it would be strange if she was. Maybe. Who knows?

devil's fav demon: i think it is

yeah i dont have any xp. should have made a magus earlier....

Endrite: You can induct yourself into as many mysteries as you want as long as you pay for them.

Shauncat (GM): I think you take teh Cabal Legacy flaw if you have inner mysteries out of chargen

johns (GM): Brown Wind gets the xp

im telling endrite this now but i'll say this too

Beatrice Orsini : we need an adventure about figuring out what's going on with sansaron

Endrite: Ok, I gotta go.

devil's fav demon: brown wind is in my characters clan and thinks my character is a retard failure, canonically

johns (GM): im sorry the timeline is advancing a bit slowly but there's a lot of stuff planned that won't work as well once black death hits

Shauncat (GM): Take it easy gamer

johns (GM): so im kinda cramming stuff in here then expecting us to zoom through the years quicker once we hit a certain point

Shauncat (GM): How many magi kills will black death get?

johns (GM): i wont spoil what i got in store

Beatrice Orsini : more adventures work for me

Zita of Mercere: When I saw an Ex Misc judge and they made heartfelt pleas about how their own tradition entering the order was so important, I really thought they were for a lighter sentence, but thankfully a brazilian was playing them

devil's fav demon: they were but they were cowed by wolfman jack

Shauncat (GM): I think I'm going to make a new companion, one who can contribute more to battles, like a mercenary captain

Zita of Mercere: I can contribute to battles just fine. I kill people from stealth then run away.

Shauncat (GM): Hypatia can still be Beatrice's friend

Beatrice Orsini : don't make companions that can contribute to battles in game with bad combat

johns (GM): lol

but also :(

Aristide of Tremere: make wizards that can game the combat system by dropping people into pits

Shauncat (GM): Jorn does that

Beatrice Orsini : the merinita mystery i want gives me impermanent perdo

so i can drop people into pits that close on them

Aristide of Tremere: impertinent pedo

Shauncat (GM): Temporary Perdo is neat but bad for tunneling

Beatrice Orsini : also i can torture people by giving them wounds with magic, but the wounds immediately heal

johns (GM): noice

Beatrice Orsini : but my personality flaw won't let me do that

Shauncat (GM): Did I just hear a baby bird become two dimension?

Aristide of Tremere: oh right i have something id like to do at tribunal

i want to spread the rumor that proclus of rome is a coward

devil's fav demon: im making a guy who is also a bear, and the bear can talk and has human hands, and most of his magic is about buffing himself or transforming into different materials.

Beatrice Orsini : give him curse of venus

Shauncat (GM): ooo

The Bear Trant

Zita of Mercere: The moment I saw those hands, I was enthralled.

devil's fav demon: lol

Shauncat (GM): Does Mythic Eurpoe have raccoons?

Beatrice Orsini : get the talking beast form virtue, still magic virtue and curse of venus and never leave bear form

lab custom made to be used by bears

johns (GM): i dont think so

i think they're north american

devil's fav demon: thats why i have human hands so i can use my lab as a bear

Shauncat (GM): RIP raccoon trants

Aristide of Tremere:

rolling 1d10+6

(

1

)

+6

=

7

oh no

Zita of Mercere: Come to think of it, since the Tremere control everything, I'm going to seduce a Tremere. This can't go wrong.

Beatrice Orsini : aristide spreads rumor that proclus is extremely brave

Aristide of Tremere: hang on. ihave to btoch first

i dont know if its 1 or 2 so ill roll 2

johns (GM):

rolling 20d10

(

4

+

2

+

6

+

7

+

10

+

8

+

2

+

5

+

10

+

6

+

2

+

1

+

6

+

5

+

2

+

3

+

6

+

9

+

3

+

8

)

=

105

Aristide of Tremere:

rolling 2d10

(

4

+

10

)

=

14

johns (GM): wtf

Zita of Mercere: Nice, you got 8 successses there Johns.

Shauncat (GM): I should use the Pendragon rules to figure out how many kids Jorn has

He's in his 30s so he should have a few

johns (GM): epic session

6 hours

Aristide of Tremere: wow. thats not a lot

you should have jorn strive to be like aristide

johns (GM): we used to have longer sessions int he past but nihnoz always griped about it

Aristide of Tremere: nihnoz gripes about campaigns longer than 1 session

Zita of Mercere: Longer sessions are cool.

Aristide of Tremere: you should ignore him

johns (GM): how long is nihnoz's exalted game going on today

Shauncat (GM): Jorn is always making kids and sending them to be raised by dwarves, and Hel

Zita of Mercere: 3 hours

Beatrice Orsini : have sessions last until people start dying of exhaustion

Zita of Mercere: It ended 2 hours ago

johns (GM): wtf

wtf

Shauncat (GM): Boys go to the dvergar, girls go to Hel to become sea hags

Aristide of Tremere: dys's exalted games go like 7 or 8 hours

i think ive played a couple 10 hour pathfinder games

Zita of Mercere: 7 usually, I dont like to run for 8

johns (GM): to be fair this only went 6 hours cause you guys were doing the majority of the talking

Zita of Mercere: I've played in a session that lasted 12 hours once or twice. Fun times.

johns (GM): if I had to actively gm for 6 hours + manage combat and shit i would have died

Beatrice Orsini : there might be a rule about how session length is inversely proprotional to system quality

Shauncat (GM): Sometimes they're just long because everyone has fun chatting ICly

Zita of Mercere: I doubt that, since my favourite system also goes really long usually

Aristide of Tremere:  checks average length of ars sessions  my god. its the best rpg ever made

Beatrice Orsini : this, but unironically

johns (GM): irt is

even if its flawed its still the best

i love it

Aristide of Tremere: johns got mad at me for having fun and rping at the wedding

Zita of Mercere: Absolutely nothing else can simulate the world of Ars Magica as good as Ars Magica

Aristide of Tremere: so we should give him what he likes and have 10 hour combat sessions

Shauncat (GM): D&D going fast because you cast all your save or dies after cheesing intiatives then take a full rest

And everyone groaning if you chat with an NPC

Aristide of Tremere: its only fair to our benevolent gm

johns (GM): admittedly im more time conscious since dys got mad at us spending 1 month per ingame year

Beatrice Orsini : we'll have 10 hour combat session after everyone has 10 ignem

Aristide of Tremere: 10 hour certamen session

that leads to a 10 hour combat because of the consequences

Beatrice Orsini : i'll eventually conjure a fake of myself to face aristide in certamen while i disappear

Zita of Mercere: I was mostly annoyed that we were getting owned by stuff but had absolutely no seasons to fix our spells, arts, etc and stop being owned

johns (GM): After doing meth, beardbeard certamens for 10 to 12 hours

Beatrice Orsini : aristide certamens a mirror

Zita of Mercere: He faces everyone, including Lavinia, and loses every single match

Aristide of Tremere: excuse me. aristide is a certamen expert and does not lose

johns (GM): here's my certamen strategy: I wait til the guy enters a trance to bring up their phantom duelist, then sir oak piledrives them unconscious

Beatrice Orsini : it works every time

Aristide of Tremere: it should be fair to use constructs and magic items youve made as part of certamen

lets take issues to grand tribunal about making certamen more retarded

Shauncat (GM): Next time we enchant an object to trade at tribunal let's make one of these https://i.imgur.com/FOrVulD.jpg

Zita of Mercere: My friends, my sodales. My peers and associates. I stand before you to ask: why don't we allow the use of swords during certamen?

johns (GM): because tremere the founder was a little bitchboy

Beatrice Orsini : this won't come up until i get spell timing, but it should be possible to make Maintaining the Demanding Spell" variation that works with Held duration spell

Held duration is Conc but the spell takes effect as momentary once you stop concentrating

johns (GM): Goodnight Goons & Gamers

Shauncat (GM): Goodnight

Beatrice Orsini : good night

Zita of Mercere: Good night gamer

Shauncat (GM): I'll be on steam/discord

devil's fav demon: night all

what is the discord.

Zita of Mercere: I still cant believe that Tremere the founder managed to push Certamen in any capacity

Beatrice Orsini : he used his vampiric power of hypnosis

devil's fav demon (GM):

rolling 1d10

(

2

)

=

2

rolling 1d10!-4

(

4

)

-4

=

0

rolling 1d10!-4

(

7

)

-4

=

3

rolling 1d10!-4

(

5

)

-4

=

1

rolling 1d10!-4

(

4

)

-4

=

0

rolling 1d10!-4

(

2

)

-4

=

-2

devil's fav demon (GM):

rolling 1d10!-4

(

5

)

-4

=

1

rolling 1d10!-4

(

1

)

-4

=

-3

rolling 1d10!-4

(

2

)

-4

=

-2

rolling 1d10!-4

(

3

)

-4

=

-1

rolling 1d10!-4

(

1

)

-4

=

-3

rolling 1d10!-4

(

4

)

-4

=

0

devil's fav demon (GM):

rolling 1d10!-4

(

10

+

5

)

-4

=

11

rolling 1d10!-4

(

7

)

-4

=

3

rolling 1d10!-4

(

6

)

-4

=

2

rolling 1d10!-4

(

1

)

-4

=

-3

rolling 1d10!-4

(

4

)

-4

=

0

rolling 1d10!-4

(

5

)

-4

=

1

devil's fav demon (GM):

rolling 1d10!-4

(

1

)

-4

=

-3

rolling 1d10!-4

(

8

)

-4

=

4

rolling 1d10!-4

(

2

)

-4

=

-2

rolling 1d10!-4

(

8

)

-4

=

4

rolling 1d10!-4

(

6

)

-4

=

2

rolling 1d10!-4

(

2

)

-4

=

-2

devil's fav demon (GM):

rolling 1d10!-4

(

4

)

-4

=

0

rolling 1d10!-4

(

5

)

-4

=

1

rolling 1d10!-4

(

4

)

-4

=

0

rolling 1d10!-4

(

8

)

-4

=

4

v

rolling 1d10!-4

(

10

+

4

)

-4

=

10

devil's fav demon (GM):

rolling 1d10!-4

(

7

)

-4

=

3

rolling 1d10!-4

(

10

+

3

)

-4

=

9

rolling 1d10!-4

(

2

)

-4

=

-2

rolling 1d10!-4

(

9

)

-4

=

5

rolling 1d10!-4

(

3

)

-4

=

-1

rolling 1d10!-4

(

5

)

-4

=

1

devil's fav demon (GM):

rolling 1d10!-4

(

10

+

8

)

-4

=

14

rolling 1d10!-4

(

4

)

-4

=

0

rolling 1d10!-4

(

5

)

-4

=

1

rolling 1d10!-4

(

6

)

-4

=

2

rolling 1d10!-4

(

2

)

-4

=

-2

rolling 1d10!-4

(

1

)

-4

=

-3

devil's fav demon (GM):

rolling 1d10!-4

(

5

)

-4

=

1

rolling 1d10!-4

(

5

)

-4

=

1

rolling 1d10!-4

(

7

)

-4

=

3

rolling 1d10!-4

(

6

)

-4

=

2

rolling 1d10!-4

(

7

)

-4

=

3

rolling 1d10!-4

(

2

)

-4

=

-2

devil's fav demon (GM):

rolling 1d10!-4

(

7

)

-4

=

3

rolling 1d10!-3

(

5

)

-3

=

2

rolling 1d10!-3

(

3

)

-3

=

0

rolling 1d10!-3

(

5

)

-3

=

2

rolling 1d10!-3

(

6

)

-3

=

3

rolling 1d10!-3

(

10

+

3

)

-3

=

10

devil's fav demon (GM):

rolling 1d10!-3

(

2

)

-3

=

-1

rolling 1d10!-3

(

6

)

-3

=

3

rolling 1d10!-3

(

2

)

-3

=

-1

rolling 1d10!-3

(

10

+

2

)

-3

=

9

rolling 1d10!-3

(

5

)

-3

=

2

rolling 1d10-2

(

4

)

-2

=

2

devil's fav demon (GM):

rolling 1d10-2

(

3

)

-2

=

1

rolling 1d10-2

(

1

)

-2

=

-1

rolling 1d10-2

(

5

)

-2

=

3

rolling 1d10-2

(

7

)

-2

=

5

rolling 1d10-2

(

6

)

-2

=

4

rolling 1d10-2

(

2

)

-2

=

0

devil's fav demon (GM):

rolling 1d10-2

(

5

)

-2

=

3

rolling 1d10-2

(

2

)

-2

=

0

rolling 1d10-2

(

2

)

-2

=

0

rolling 1d10!-1

(

4

)

-1

=

3

rolling 1d10!-1

(

6

)

-1

=

5

rolling 1d10!-1

(

8

)

-1

=

7

devil's fav demon (GM):

rolling 1d10!-1

(

10

+

5

)

-1

=

14

rolling 1d10!-1

(

3

)

-1

=

2

rolling 1d10!-1

(

5

)

-1

=

4

rolling 1d10!-1

(

1

)

-1

=

0

rolling 1d10!-1

(

2

)

-1

=

1

rolling 1d10!-1

(

4

)

-1

=

3

devil's fav demon (GM):

rolling 1d10!-1

(

9

)

-1

=

8

rolling 1d10!

(

3

)

=

3

rolling 1d10!

(

4

)

=

4

rolling 1d10!

(

4

)

=

4

rolling 1d10!

(

7

)

=

7

rolling 1d10

(

10

)

=

10

devil's fav demon (GM):

rolling 1d10

(

2

)

=

2

rolling 1d10! exertion results

(

9

)

=

9

wait nvm i dont have a workshop

oh i do, it just starts at 0 everything

rolling 1d10 exertion

(

6

)

=

6

rolling 1d10 aging

(

8

)

=

8

devil's fav demon (GM):

rolling 1d10!

(

6

)

=

6

rolling 1d10 exertion

(

2

)

=

2

rolling 1d10 aging

(

9

)

=

9

rolling 1d10 exertion table

(

3

)

=

3

rolling 1d10 exertion

(

10

)

=

10

rolling 1d10 aging

(

8

)

=

8

devil's fav demon (GM):

rolling 1d10 exertion results

(

5

)

=

5

rolling 1d10 exertion

(

4

)

=

4

rolling 1d10 aging

(

8

)

=

8

rolling 1d10 exertion results

(

9

)

=

9

rolling 1d10 exertion

(

4

)

=

4

rolling 1d10 agin

(

1

)

=

1

devil's fav demon (GM):

rolling 1d10! exertion results

(

3

)

=

3

rolling 1d10 exertion

(

10

)

=

10

rolling 1d10 agin

(

8

)

=

8

rolling 1d10! results

(

1

)

=

1

rolling 1d10 botch check

(

5

)

=

5

rolling 1d10-4 celeste aging (appearance only)

(

6

)

-4

=

2

devil's fav demon (GM):

rolling 1d10-4 celeste aging (appearance only)

(

8

)

-4

=

4

finally looks 18....

wait those were wrong

rolling 1d10-1

(

3

)

-1

=

2

rolling 1d10-1

(

1

)

-1

=

0

amazing.